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KSU Student Stumps Bush.......

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posted on Jan, 30 2006 @ 08:48 PM
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Now I am not into politics much but after hearing the Pres's answer to Tiffany Cooper's question on the Education Policy has me wondering what is wrong with this guy!? Watch how he just looks around for the answers...Here is the video link...(the video is viewed with quicktime player.)

I guess the Administration thought they would not need to prescreen the questions to be asked hoping the people there would be too starstruck with the President's appearance to their city.


I had no idea the Administration was this arrogant!!





Tuesday, January 24, 2006
Student Stumps Bush With Education Policy Question
Here’s student Tiffany Cooper playing “Stump the President.”

Q: Hi, I just want to get your comments about education. Recently, $12.7 billion was cut from education, and I was just wondering how that's supposed to help our futures? (Applause.)

Bush: Education budget was cut -- say it again. What was cut?

Q: Twelve point seven billion dollars was cut from education, and I was just wondering how is that supposed to help our --

Bush: At the federal level?

Q: Yes.

Bush: I don't think that -- I don't think we've actually -- for higher education? Student loans?

Q: Yes, student loans.


Here is the source for this quote


[edit on 30-1-2006 by DustintheWind]

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MOD EDIT: to shorten quote



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posted on Jan, 30 2006 @ 10:17 PM
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Bush actually believes people will believe his BS by virtue of him being the president. But then again, he sure does act like a deer in the headlights a lot.

As much as I disliked Clinton, at least he had knowledge on a wide array of issues and could discuss his own positions on them. Bush just always gets blindsided out of total lack of curiosity and acquisition of knowledge. Don't bug him, man, he's clearin' brush like a real man.



posted on Jan, 30 2006 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Bush actually believes people will believe his BS by virtue of him being the president. But then again, he sure does act like a deer in the headlights a lot.

As much as I disliked Clinton, at least he had knowledge on a wide array of issues and could discuss his own positions on them. Bush just always gets blindsided out of total lack of curiosity and acquisition of knowledge. Don't bug him, man, he's clearin' brush like a real man.


You got that right EastCoastKid!








I think these pics sum it up nicely



posted on Jan, 30 2006 @ 11:21 PM
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Duhbya scares me more than 1000 organized terrorists. At times, he seems to be heavily medicated while delivering important addresses. I have come to the conclusion, the reason Bushie spends so much time down at the ranch "clearing brush" is because they are down there literally programming him for his next big policy challenge.


He has no idea what to say, otherwise.



posted on Jan, 30 2006 @ 11:47 PM
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Bush was the victim of a vague question here. When he asked her whether she was referring to the "federal level" or what, this affirmed it. She was very non-specific in her question. As always, there are degrees of truth to both her accusation and his answer, check out the links below for specific info.

Student loans cut by $12.7B

As one of its first legislative acts of the new year, Congress passed a resolution to slow the growth of federal spending.

It aims to do so in part through the reconciliation bill, which will cut government-backed student-loan programs by $12.7 billion.

At the same time, however, new student grant programs will be created.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Experts unsure of loan cut's impact

"Actually, students come out ahead in some ways on this," said Steve Brooks, director of the State Education Assistance Authority.

He pointed to an increase in loan limits as one plus of the bill, raising the limit for freshman from $2,625 to $3,500 and $3,500 to $4,500 for sophomores.

"I'm glad to see loan limits increase," Brooks said. "I wish they could go higher."

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Jan, 30 2006 @ 11:48 PM
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Obviously the programming is not working!

Like you said...

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
He has no idea what to say, otherwise.



Originally posted by BlueTriangle
Bush was the victim of a vague question here. When he asked her whether she was referring to the "federal level" or what, this affirmed it. She was very non-specific in her question. As always, there are degrees of truth to both her accusation and his answer, check out the links below for specific info.

Student loans cut by $12.7B

As one of its first legislative acts of the new year, Congress passed a resolution to slow the growth of federal spending.

It aims to do so in part through the reconciliation bill, which will cut government-backed student-loan programs by $12.7 billion.

At the same time, however, new student grant programs will be created.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

I cannot see how this is actually helping?


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Though $21 billion was initially cut from the loan programs, $8 billion was then designated to be reinvested in financial aid.

The remaining money from the cut will be used to directly lower taxes and finance the federal deficit.

“We would prefer to see as much of the proposed cuts reinvested in other student aid programs,” said Melissa Vetterkind, Duke’s assistant director for federal relations. “In the end, students are going to end up paying more for their student loans over the entire length of the loan.”



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The reconciliation bill also affects private lenders who provide student loans. The bill will require the lenders to give the money they receive from student interest rates back to the government, potentially eliminating a source of lenders’ profits.

“I wouldn’t be surprised to see some lenders leave the market as a result,” Belvin said.


Maybe you could enlighten me?


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posted on Jan, 30 2006 @ 11:53 PM
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Blue Triangle gets today's funniest comment award:



Bush was the victim of a vague question here.


You're kidding me, right?
We are the victim of a vaguely awake and aware poseur of a president.



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by BlueTriangle
Experts unsure of loan cut's impact

"Actually, students come out ahead in some ways on this," said Steve Brooks, director of the State Education Assistance Authority.

He pointed to an increase in loan limits as one plus of the bill, raising the limit for freshman from $2,625 to $3,500 and $3,500 to $4,500 for sophomores.

"I'm glad to see loan limits increase," Brooks said. "I wish they could go higher."

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



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Although the increases may provide more funding for cash-strapped college hopefuls with no other way to pay, Julie Mallette, director of the Office of Scholarships and Financial Aid, said there is a down side.

"We see very little reluctance in terms of borrowing," Mallette said. "Students will borrow whatever is put in front of them."

And the result seems to be putting students further and further into the red after graduation.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


OH YA that cut is really going to help these college kids out...

Lets give them more money so they have to file bankruptcy after they graduate!



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by DustintheWind
OH YA that cut is really going to help these college kids out...

Lets give them more money so they have to file bankruptcy after they graduate!


Or be forced into slave labor/debtors prison when the economy crashes.



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 01:09 AM
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Please, did I even defend the President's education reform? I simply showed you the entire picture instead of just the decrease in funding. Do you guys always jump on anybody who presents an opposing viewpoint even when they don't even do so? Geez. Here, I'll quote my statement for you since at least three of you missed it:

As always, there are degrees of truth to both her accusation and his answer, check out the links below for specific info.


Yes, there are positives to this plan, for example sophomore and freshmen can get more money now. AND, with the tax cuts this will fund, parents should have a little more bottom line money to throw into the college fund. Are there negatives, you betcha.

How about instead of jumping on the one guy that presents an opposing viewpoint (and doesn't even state that he agrees with it, I might add) with accusations of slave labor, economy crashes, and bankruptcy we actually discuss the topic?



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 06:46 AM
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The $8 trillion dollar Republican deficit is so bloated with pork earmarks to hold their faltering virtual majority together they had nothing to cut but student loans, school lunches and law enforcement for uncollected child support.

The War on Working Families: Mission Accomplished.



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by BlueTriangle

How about instead of jumping on the one guy that presents an opposing viewpoint (and doesn't even state that he agrees with it, I might add) with accusations of slave labor, economy crashes, and bankruptcy we actually discuss the topic?


Sorry BlueT I was not trying to come off as "Jumping" on you after reading your post, I just saw more negative in those articles than good, and I missed that quote you mentioned not realiseing this was not your opinion....Again accept my appologies. Dust

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posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 07:31 PM
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Where in the Constitution does it state that the federal government educate its citizens?

Get rid of the Department of Education totally!

Let the states do their constitutional job.



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4
Where in the Constitution does it state that the federal government educate its citizens?

Get rid of the Department of Education totally!

Let the states do their constitutional job.


Well according to the Department of Education....


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What the Department of Education Does NOT Do

Under the Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Nothing specific is said about education in the Constitution; therefore it falls outside federal authority.

In creating the Department of Education, Congress made clear its intention that the secretary of education and other Department officials be prohibited from exercising "any direction, supervision, or control over the curriculum program of instruction, administration, or personnel of any educational institution, school, or school system." The establishment of schools and colleges, the development of curricula, the setting of requirements for enrollment and graduation -- these are responsibilities handled by the various states and communities, as well as by public and private organizations of all kinds, not by the U.S. Department of Education.

Here is the link:An Overview of the U.S. Department of Education


Hmm.....so it says they ARE leaving it up to the various states....

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posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 09:44 PM
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Here is what the Department does do...

1. Establishes policies relating to federal financial aid for education, administers distribution of those funds, and monitors their use.

2. Collects data and oversees research on America's schools and disseminates this information to educators and the general public.

3. Identifies the major issues and problems in education and focuses national attention on them.

4. Enforces federal statutes prohibiting discrimination in programs and activities receiving federal funds and ensures equal access to education for every individual.

Here is the link where I got these from

From what I can tell Carseller4 they are not directly involved in educating the citizens, unless there is something I missed.



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4
Where in the Constitution does it state that the federal government educate its citizens?

Get rid of the Department of Education totally!

Let the states do their constitutional job.


I applaud you on your sweeping vision.


So, you think Americans should just educate themselves, huh? Interesting. Personally, I'd hate to be in your trailer trash America. There's more to life than X-box lil friend.

What exactly is the states' constitutional job in edumacating the masses?



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 10:21 PM
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George W. Bush pop quiz

1. Who attacked the United States?
A. Al Qadea
B. Iraq
C. Clinton

Bush's answer is A. WRONG!!!

2. What countries have been linked to the 9-11 attacks
A. Saudi Arabia
B. Iraq
C. Afghanistan

Bush's answer is B and C. WRONG!!!

3. You permitted the N.S.A. to spy on Americans because?
A. Because you suspect that everyone is a terrorist.
B. You have nothing else better to do.
C. You think that you are above the law.

Bush's answer is C. WRONG!!!!

George, please see me after class.

That just proves that the average college student knows more than what our "fearless" leader knows. Plus, it also shows you that a majority of college students follow the news from their own stand point.



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by gimmefootball400

That just proves that the average college student knows more than what our "fearless" leader knows. Plus, it also shows you that a majority of college students follow the news from their own stand point.



And rightfully so, they have lots of different opinions available at their disposal to come to a legitamate desision, unlike the Pres who has one group "Telling" him how to "Think" and "Act".
No brainpower required on his part.



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by DustintheWind

Originally posted by BlueTriangle

How about instead of jumping on the one guy that presents an opposing viewpoint (and doesn't even state that he agrees with it, I might add) with accusations of slave labor, economy crashes, and bankruptcy we actually discuss the topic?


Sorry BlueT I was not trying to come off as "Jumping" on you after reading your post, I just saw more negative in those articles than good

Yeah, BlueT, how dare you? After all, the rest of this post has been so upliftingly positive that it makes me want to sing...


Oh, the hypocrisy!



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 08:35 AM
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Anyone ever seen the video of Bush blundering the q about Tribal Sovereignty?

politicalhumor.about.com...

Good stuff!

You could tell he hadnt been programmed to answer that question yet.

This is our leader?!



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