Childhood Vaccinations??

As I said, my children were immunized and I am blessed that they are both healthy with no physical problems or learning disablilities. What I'm saying is that I can understand why some parents have questioned this.....also, how do we really know these statistics are accurate? Who compiled the information and how reliable is the source? I also wonder why they came up with a chicken pox vaccine ten years ago or so? I never knew anyone growing up who didn't survive thier bout with chicken pox. Just food for thought.

The information I posted was by the UK's National Health Service. If you're just going to doubt every statistical source I present, do you really want any debate or are you content being closed minded and suspicious of anything with numbers in it that you didn't count yourself?

Also, the chicken pox vaccine is given to two main groups, infants aged 12-18 months and adults over 55 who have never had chicken pox. This is because anually, roughly 150,000 people experience opportunistic infections such as pneumonia as a result of pox infections, and about 150 of them die. A larger portion of them develop shingles, a long term and annoying condition. Now, if you get the vaccinations, the most that can occur is a mild pox infection that has very low opprotunistic rates.

Ciao,
~MFP

whatever....

here is an update for you...and I dont think this information is biased...why it is the current Law in the US...

Mercury-Free Vaccines Act of 2004

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

The Congress finds as follows:

(1) In July 1999, the Public Health Service and the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a joint statement, which was later endorsed by the American Academy of Family Physicians, proclaiming: `[The] Public Health Service, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and vaccine manufacturers agree that thimerosal-containing vaccines should be removed as soon as possible. Similar conclusions were reached this year in a meeting attended by European regulatory agencies, the European vaccine manufacturers, and the US FDA which examined the use of thimerosal-containing vaccines produced or sold in European countries.'.
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SEC. 351B. BANNED MERCURY -CONTAINING VACCINES.

`(a) In General- For purposes of section 501(h) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act , and subject to subsection (b), a vaccine is a banned mercury -containing vaccine under this section if--

`(1) 1 dose of the vaccine contains 1 or more micrograms of mercury in any form; or

`(2) the vaccine contains any quantity of thimerosal and is listed in the current version of the recommended childhood and adolescent immunization schedule of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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`(c) Effective Dates-

`(2) Thimerosal-containing vaccines- In the case of a vaccine that is not described in subsection (a)(1), but is described in subsection (a)(2), the amendments made by this section apply only to vaccines introduced, or delivered for introduction, into interstate commerce on or after January 1, 2007.'

This is exceptional reading

this is fantastic too....

(5) Considerable progress has been made in reducing mercury exposures from childhood vaccines, yet 5 years after the July 1999 statement, thimerosal remains in several nonroutinely administered childhood vaccines

and more... its a long Act but at the risk of being accused of plagiarism thought I'd better add some running commentry

(7) The Environmental Protection Agency has estimated that as many as 1 in 6 infants are born with a blood mercury level that exceeds the Agency's safety threshold.


you really got to read this... I love the commencement date...see that did you? Jan 1st 2007

Please re-read your tezt that you plagiarized by not quoting properly. It says any vaccine NOT COVERED BY SECTION A1. Section A1 include all vaccines containing 1 microgram of mercury. This would include ALL infant vaccines as the contain in the range of 10 micrograms. You later source also mentions that thimerosal remains in many nonroutinely administered vaccines. Now, english IS my second language, but to me this says that it has been removed from nearly all common vaccines, just not from those that are rarely if ever, or as they say nonroutinely, administered.

La lettura e' una cosa buona.

Ciao!
~MFP

Originally posted by bsl4doc
First, you said several times that "mercury is used as a preservative". This is just blatantly false. THIMEROSAL is used as a preservative, which breaks down into ethylmercury and methymercury, depending on the pathway. Neither of these are pure mercury, do not have the same effect as pure mercury (even though they are still harmful), and thus cannot be studied the same as pure mercury. Your point is moot.

I didn't read this whole tread, I am surprised that I actually missed it. Anyway.....

This is where i will start...

"First, you said several times that "mercury is used as a preservative". This is just blatantly false. "

Hmmmmmmm... I bet whats coming next don't we???

Therapy supporters believe autism can be caused by heavy metal toxicity, particularly from mercury once used in a preservative in childhood vaccinations.

Notice how biased this site above its... Oops its a newspaper.. nm.. anyway back to topic.

So now we say that vaccinations are good for our kids ehh?? Let me ask a question, why is it that the cases of autism has risen from 1 and 100,000 kids that had autism in the 60's to 1 and 1,000 today... Any idea??? Let me guess its not the vaccines right??

Well lets see what I can find..

The two most common causes of mercury toxicity are dental fillings (amalgams) and vaccinations. In America alone, about 140 million people have dental amalgams, which contain up to 50 percent mercury.

Currently the two most important sources of mercury exposure for Americans are dental amalgams and vaccinations. The Federal government’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Food and Drug Administration (FDA), for reasons not explained, have chosen to ignore this fact. These agencies and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) focus exclusively on mercury in seafood, to the extent that the NIH will not fund studies that address mercury in amalgams and vaccines.

Good thing your right.. There is no mercury in vaccinations. Only 10 sex on Google told me there wasn't.

Onto bigger and brighter things today.

I have a son who is 5 almost 6 I have noticed thru his almost 6 yrs of life mostly after the 5 yr old shots he got really odd to observe. Ya we can blame it on lame parenting or shoddy schooling, but I would probably bet he has some forms of autism.. Ironically I am not the only one who thinks this way.. I have been told by a few people even a doc and a psychologist that he may have traits of autism in him.. and ironically you know what I blame it on??? I blame it on the Mercury shots.. I ment vaccinations Uncle Same gives us for free in most cases.

Anyway to sum this all up. Vaccinations are filled with Mercury needless to say some kids will have autism as a result. only way to cure it is to get rid of the mercury. In most cases it has worked.

Originally posted by dirty_underground
Sure the pharm companies should investigate further into the matter of why more kids react the way they do and I don't agree with all the "ingredients." But that really is no reason to deny someone else the benefits of the medicine (not to be mistaken with my saying it's ok for some to die as long as some live, ok, but everyone has the power of choice). Each person/body is different. Different chemical levels, different everything. That is why we react so diffrent to different things.

Each person must chose what's right for them. We live, we learn. It's a fact of life that sometimes isn't pretty.

(I'm not trying to sound horrible on here. I'm sorry to all of you who have someone close to you that has been affected)

It's okay.. I was under the impression that you thought they should take the risk for the good of society.. thanks for clarifying. I have no problem with parents who choose to immunise through and informed decision.. likewise I do not think doctors or any one else should try coerce or bully parents into vaccinating children they suspect may have a reaction. I'll have a tough choice to make when it comes to immunising my kids.. I will not have the triple antigon [sp] and opt to have them seperately instead. I would also like the option of having the immunised when their older and not as newborns.. [they don't socialise that young] and would like to be able to say no to vaccines I feel are unneccesary [chicken pox, hepititus, infuenza etc]. Of course.. I have a history of reactions to drugs and toxins in my family so the risk is greater.. it's just a matter of weighing things up.

lol Mr MS

read it again

it is Bill from Congress -> Mercury-Free Vaccines Act of 2004

Isn't a Bill from Congress a credible source of information for you?

You stated earlier that vaccinations in the US did not contain thirmerosal....

well, I strongly disagree.....




[edit on 3-2-2006 by NJE777]

And some more reading for your injoyment.

UPI Investigates: The vaccine conflict

The concern: most vaccines contained a mercury-based preservative called thimerosal. Too much mercury has known toxic effects on the brain.

God I love it when I am always wrong..

altho on another note, I dont mean to be an athhole about all this, but I really hate to see the sheep wander past live thinking the governement can never do anything wrong.


[edit on 2/3/2006 by ThichHeaded]

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
I blame it on the Mercury shots.. I ment vaccinations Uncle Same gives us for free in most cases.

Anyway to sum this all up. Vaccinations are filled with Mercury needless to say some kids will have autism as a result. only way to cure it is to get rid of the mercury. In most cases it has worked.

Still no-one has explain to me why many kids with autism have been found to have excessive levels of mercury in their systems.. wonder why? I think it's a very valid point that needs an answer.

*A child gets injections with mercury in them.
*Child gets tested for mercury poisoning.. comes back positive.
*Child gets treated for mercury poisoning.. child gets alot better.

I guess we must be reading too much onto these co-incidences eh?

[edit on 3-2-2006 by riley]

Sorry I keep adding to this thread, but there is so much cool things i did earlier in my ATS life.

ANYWAY.. check this post out I did a while ago..

Mercury Is Good For Your Children

This talks about how mecury is actually good for our kids.

Also read about the 6th post down someone who has a 1st hand exp on this talks about it..

Sigh, I'll try to explain what I can:
First

lol

read it again

it is Bill from Congress -> Mercury-Free Vaccines Act of 2004

Isn't a Bill from Congress a credible source of information for you?

You stated earlier that vaccinations in the US did not contain thirmerosal....

well I disagree.

I never said you latest source wasn't credible, I was pointing out that you misread it as usual. It states that any vaccine containing more than 1 microgram of mercury is immediately banned this would include nearly all infant vaccines. Any OTHER vaccine not routinely given, meaning it is only upon special request or in emergency cases and not given to the majority of children, will be phased out by 2007. Also, I never said vaccines don't contain thimerosal. I said they don't contain mercury, which they don't. Molecular mercury is no where to be found in any vaccine. Thimerosal degrades to ethyl and methyl mercury in the body, which has different properties than mercury in molecular form.

Now, as to your sourced Thicheaded, which is an apt name, you gave ONE newspaper source that said there is a link between heavy metals and autism. No doubt, that is a fact. Now, your OTHER sources keep stating there is mercury in vaccines, which is wrong. There WAS therimosal in vaccines, which CAN be metabolised into EHTYL and METHYl mercury, which do not behave the same as mercury and in many instances are not as harmful due to their diluted form and lower permeability across the blood-brain barrier. Your other sources were third party holistic sites that were very biased. All the information I have presented has been either research, peer-reviewed works or laboratories with no real gain whether you vaccinate your tot or not.

Also, I REALLY liked the graphic on your source trying to sell a book. It was the one presenting a bar graph of toxicities, but the graph had no scale, so for all we know, it could have been showing 0.0001% risk or 100% risk. Real credible.
Ciao,
~MFP

[edit on 2/3/2006 by bsl4doc]

[edit on 2/3/2006 by bsl4doc]

Read the 3rd post up.. Mine..

Infowars.com.. That originally came from CNN..

Now CNN is biased???

Wow dude, get your # straight before it blows you sky high.. really..

Ohh another thing.. the last post I did about mecury being good for you... They talk about it being in vaccines.. that would make 2 sites.. actually three.

NEXT.

Your infowars site does not mention CNN anywhere in the article, and your "Mercury is Good" site is from...prisonplanet.tv?! You honestly expect anyone even remotely related to the medical profession to trust that?!

Give me a scientific, peer-reviewed study, and we'll talk. If thimerosal were so prevalent, there should be a load of peer-reviewed university grade research out there to validate it, as there is with any REAL topic, so you shouldn't have a hard time finding it. Maybe you should spend less time scouring google.com and try scholar.google.com . It will remove a lot of your crappy sources from your search results, promise.

In your own words, NEXT.

Ciao,
~MFP

Originally posted by bsl4doc

I never said you latest source wasn't credible, I was pointing out that you misread it as usual. It states that any vaccine containing more than 1 microgram of mercury is immediately banned this would include nearly all infant vaccines.

oh immediately banned but the Bill is effective from Jan 2007... read it again

I repeat 'any vaccine containing more than 1 microgram of mercury"...so 1 microgram of mercury is mercury free..... ???? ah cos it is less than 1 microgram of mercury...so if below the threshold then that means 'its free'... hmm interesting interpretation of data.

Also, I never said vaccines don't contain thimerosal. I said they don't contain mercury, which they don't. Molecular mercury is no where to be found in any vaccine. Thimerosal degrades to ethyl and methyl mercury in the body, which has different properties than mercury in molecular form.

well why oh why did conspiracy_101 thank you for clearing the thimerosal issue up..

Originally posted by conspiracy_101
Thank you for clearing that up. Now that the vaccines are Thimerosal free

[edit on 3-2-2006 by NJE777]

[edit on 3-2-2006 by NJE777]

nje, you are honestly the most frustratingly stubborn person I have ever had the displeasure of speaking with in my life.

No, under 1 microgram is NOT therimosal free. They set this limit so eliminate infant vaccines. Please god, think things through before posting, allowing your d-ego to live vicariously through you.

I'm going to post to this thread ONE MORE TIME, in an effort to make ONE salient point, again...

Children are exposed to mercury in their natural environment, in doses large enough to matter. It's in the food we eat, the water we drink, the soil we use for our crops, it's even in the AIR WE BREATHE.

Now, is the mercury in vaccines dangerous? Yes. Is it what's causing all the autism? Probably not. Logic dictates the millions of tons of mercury in the environment pose a much greater risk than the .5-19.0 micro grams (or whatever) in a vaccine.

If preventing autism is the goal, vaccines are about the last place people should be looking for a way to make a difference. Given the choice between foregoing vaccines and lobbying to clean up mercury emissions, clearly the latter will be more effective at reducing the rates of autism. Why are people so hung up on the vaccine issue when the scale is so miniscule compared to levels of industrial pollution? Out of sight out of mind? Do people harp on the vaccine issue because it's one of the few exposures they can EASILY control?

Reducing the instances and severity of autism (as well as a host of other disorders) is as easy as limiting mercury exposure. And once again, limiting mercury exposure starts with the power plants, refineries, foundries, and so on. It's not easy, but neither is raising an autistic child, or an autistic nation for that matter. Time is a wasting to make good decisions folks...

You can't legally spew bullets into the air, as a private individual. The risk of harm to the community is too great to allow you that freedom. Why then are the corporations allowed to spew poisonous mercury? It's one of the deadliest substances on earth, and there is practically ZERO oversight. They're killing your children, and you're buying their products all the while...

It doesn't get much sicker than that.

So, once more (this is the last time, I promise), the dangers posed by vaccines are miniscule in comparison to the dangers posed by industrial emissions.

THANK YOU, WyrdeOne, for a very cogent, well thought out post. It seems those are hard to come by lately.

I am going to do this in terms a sheep will understand..

Check this out.. this is me going research..

Deadly immunity


rest of the article here.

When a study revealed that mercury in childhood vaccines may have caused autism in thousands of kids, the government rushed to conceal the data -- and to prevent parents from suing drug companies for their role in the epidemic.

Vaccines and autism

No doubt, but Mr. Kennedy's "conspiracy" so far rests on thin evidence, not to mention a certain degree of ideological spin. The alleged culprit in this burgeoning controversy is the vaccine preservative thimerosal -- a mercury-based additive once commonly found in many childhood vaccines. In 2000, the CDC held a conference of top government health scientists and officials to discuss a disturbing study by CDC epidemiologist Tom Verstraeten, which found a statistically significant link between mercury-based vaccines and autism. The conference concluded that further research was needed before the health community could make a determination.

UK chemist tilts at autism's origins

Standing in front of half a dozen microphones in Washington, Haley expounded on his often repeated thesis: A mercury-based preservative called thimerosal that was in most children's vaccinations from the mid-1980s until about four years ago severely affected the brains of some children, causing them to become autistic. Haley isn't the only scientist pushing the theory, but he is one of the most vocal.

ABC News Killed Interviews with Robert Kennedy on Mercury in Children's Vaccines

ABC corporate executives at the network's highest levels ordered three interviews with Robert Kennedy Jr. pulled from ABC News programming.

The interviews all centered around Mr. Kennedy's investigation of thimerosal, a mercury based preservative, used in vaccines given to children and believed to be responsible for increasing cases of neurological diseases including autism.

I wonder why this was, as I said earlier, you cant even trust mainstream news now can ya.

Vaccine additive banned in Iowa

But while some parents are leery of the pediatric flu vaccination — which can contain preservatives such as thimerosal, a mercury-based compound added to some vaccines — Iowans can rest easy.

Earlier this year, the state became the first in the nation to ban the use of preservatives in childhood vaccines.

In 1999, when it was discovered that immunized children had accidentally been exposed to mercury levels well over federal limits, the American Academy of Pediatrics called for thimerosal to be removed from vaccines as a precaution.

It was eliminated from nearly all vaccines except the one used for the flu.

Since the Iowa ban went in place during January, California has followed suit and more than 30 other states have similar bans under consideration. Illinois is among them.

In August, Gov. Rod Blagojevich approved the Mercury-Free Vaccine Act. As of next year, the percentage of mercury used in vaccines will be limited. As of 2008, no Illinois resident will be vaccinated with a product containing mercury.

I added that cause it talks about that act that one person was trying to get thru to someones ThichHead.

Mercury is Not Vitamin "M"

Disease Deities on Capitol Hill Address Autism: Vaccine Injuries Reflect a Deeper Political Pathology

During the congressional hearing led by Indiana Republican Dan Burton, and other Congressmen including Connecticut Republican Christopher Shays, informed the audience that despite the stunning increase in autism rates with its established link to vaccines containing mercury (i.e., thimerosal), Congress had requested an additional $75 million for government officials favoring vaccines to study autism. Hearing officials determined that the CDC had commissioned a classified study that examined the impact of vaccines containing mercury on the brain, nervous and immune systems of children. Their altered report secreted a horrifying conclusion that America's youth was, in fact, being crippled en masse by drug makers' use of mercury in vaccines. Furthermore, Dan Burton alluded to the disturbing conflicts of interest common to the vaccine industry in which oversight agencies such as the CDC's vaccine advisory board, ACIP, are frequently represented by paid industry officials and drug company scientists. Here, the majority of members favor policies supporting drug companies and vaccinations increasingly found harmful to the American people.

I think this is enough to get some sheep away from the herd.. Let me know of these sites are to biased for you.. I will try and get some from ahhh CNN or that other site i linked ya to.

Originally posted by bsl4doc

nje, you are honestly the most frustratingly stubborn person I have ever had the displeasure of speaking with in my life.

Thank you!

Originally posted by ThichHeaded

In August, Gov. Rod Blagojevich approved the Mercury-Free Vaccine Act. As of next year, the percentage of mercury used in vaccines will be limited. As of 2008, no Illinois resident will be vaccinated with a product containing mercury.

I added that cause it talks about that act that one person was trying to get thru to someones ThichHead.

thanks so much... I was banging my head against a brick wall.....
urgh!!