Originally posted by dirty_underground
Maybe I am contradicting myself here (and misunderstanding some of the others), but I believe our real concern here is the Thimerosal being added and the mercury poisoning being obtained from it.
It sort of seems to go on and off topic! I agree that it was about 75% thiomersal until about Page 9/10 when all hell broke loose. And then MMR usually gets brought up, just to confuse everyone some more.
You yourself had your own child vaccinated Thimerosal free, you must see there being some problem with it (if this was for another reason, please clarify).
I just *couldn't see the point*, when there were equally effective free versions out there. We did a lot of research on Pubmed before he was born, and I guess you could say I was operating under a 'precautionary principle'. I think good epidemiology shows that it is safe on the *vast majority* of the population.
This is all culled from the pubmed stuff on page 9/10 of this thread - there seems to be a scientific consensus that it is safe. Probably.
The only thing I worry about is that *big* studies could maybe 'average out' fine points/data, and there is maybe some evidence about low birthweight children being more sensitive; also the methionine synthetase thing and ?possible? inhbition of this and an effect on neurological development.
So yes - I'd be a hypocrite if I said I was full-on in favour of thiomersal.
But I *would* like the anti-people to produce a good population study showing a link between ASD and any TM-containing vaccine of their choice. I've seen various extracts from books, anecdotes etc, but not a single study.
I could have missed this - the thread is huge, but I've tried to read every link posted. Again, if I have missed it, please U2U me the link and I'd be very grateful.
Otherwise I would like to see a study where it shows Thimerosal is SAFE.
Probably the one I posted above, there are a few others on page 9/10 of this thread.
Sure the vaccinations themselves may be safe and prevent harmful diseases, but I'm sure most everyone on this thread is concerned with the "accused" mercury poisoning being recieved by the Thimerosal. I know that they have passed an ACT to remove this from vaccines, but many still contain the preservative. This continues to be a problem for those parents who are not aware of the dangers.
I don't think that anyone really would have a problem with TM being eliminated from vaccines - in the West, it's probably not needed any more - as far as I can make out, it was used because it was/is cheap and effective. And like I said, a precautionary principle is just fine by me.
The only thing that I get slightly concerned about (as FredT has mentioned a few times, with pictures of iron lungs etc), is that we are in danger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater here - we are starting to lose 'race memory' of just how bad infectious disease was before vaccination, and I get slightly irritated when I read some wild claims (this isn't a dig about TM, but rather some of the stuff that was cut and pasted en masse around 10/11 of this thread) about vaccination in general.
I think all some of the 'pro' camp ask is that claims are backed with good evidence - and that probably means a population study showing a link between TM and ASD.
Another one from the CDC (I will post my reference link at the end of my post) which CONFIRMS a LINK between MERCURY CONTAINING VACCINES AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISORDERS!!!!
I read the link and I see what was said by the CDC and AAP, my only beef would it would be that this appears to be an injury claims lawyer writing that this is what the CDC and AAP have said. And I don't trust any damn lawyer to interpret any damn paper impartially.
I don't think he has linked to the articles so I can't comment on them - although I agree that governments are eliminating TM from vaccines. But is this just the use of precautionary principle now that there are other preservatives available?
As I'm sure this site has already been posted within this thread, I found it to be VERY informative and they aren't trying to sell you anything. But here is the link again
I think he's a lawyer because the 'contact us' thing goes to a stuff about a lawsuit.
I'm sure this link will not qualify as being GOOD ENOUGH evidence, biased, or otherwise "anecdotal" but seeing as how I saw the government affiliated CDC, FDA, AAP, I thought this MIGHT be sufficient in atleast making a point on our part of the issue.
As I said, I'm just a little dubious that the claim has been made without giving the articles directly. If you could bring up the CDC, FDA, AAP articles I'd be very grateful, because I could well have missed them due to the size of this thread.
****Also MMR is not listed as containing Thimerosal, we have stated that, yet we still seem to be related back to studies showing MMR vaccine statistics.**
Yup - not arguing with you about that, but again, vaccines and thiomersal both seem to get lumped together in this argument - despite attempts to keep them apart.
Have a good night!