JFK assassination and the Running Man

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posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 06:38 PM
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As I've stated before, I've been going over the Zaprueder frames recently and have come up with another odd character. Let's call him the Running Man. He first shows up in frame 345:



He can be seen through to frame 363. And it's odd, but on frame 357, it appears that he is smiling:



You would think if he was running because he was scared, he'd be running away, not running to get a closer look. It appears to me like he may be one of the shooters and is running to see the result of his efforts!

Zaprueder frames can be found here: www.assassinationresearch.com...

Running Man. Why is he running? Why is he smiling? Is he one of the shooters?




posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 07:22 PM
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The man I think you are speaking of is doing the most logical thing to do under the circumstances and that is to get a flat a possible. My question would be why more people are not getting down. The reason might be that they are not hearing the shots and are not sure of what they are seeing and have not had time to react. I would expect that combat veterans and those who are trained to survive might be more inclined to recognize the danger and to react accordingly. Also, the reactions of the bystanders argue against a grassy knoll shooter, because his firearm would be decidedly louder and more likely to create havoc.

[edit on 2006/1/28 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 08:37 PM
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In the Zapruder Film Malcom Summers can be seen diving to the ground with incredible impossible leg angles within a short time frame as seen below. Summers is used often as an example of the faking of the Zapruder film by many of the experts.



In Z353-356 we see Malcolm Summers diving to the ground. Summers is to the right of James Altgens. In Z353 Summers' left leg is extended most of the way out. But, in the very next frame, Z354, amazingly, the foreleg is bent markedly backward. Can anyone flex their foreleg to that degree so quickly? In 1/18th of a second

karws.gso.uri.edu...
Evidence of Alteration in The Zapruder Film.



www.assassinationresearch.com...
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Running Man is apt, he states in his testimony that he did get up and run after the limo had past with the crowd towads the railways tracks.. jfkassassination.net...



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 09:11 PM
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I know I'm not the first person to notice this, but it is very interesting to see it in print and I immediately thought of the James Files interview.


VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 23rd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Malcolm Summers, Address: 405 E. 12th Street, Age 39, Phone No. WH 6 3558, WK: Self-employed -- Summers Nailing Service.
Deposes and says:

Yesterday, November 23, 1963, I was standing on the terrace of the small park on Elm Street to watch the President's motorcade. The President's car had just come up in front of me when I heard a shot and saw the President slump down in the car and heard Mrs. Kennedy say, "Oh, no," then a second shot and then I hit the ground as I realized these were shots. Then all of the people started running up the terrace away from the President's car and I got up and started running also, not realizing what had happened. In just a few moments the President's car sped off and everyone was just running around towards the railroad tracks and I knew that they had somebody trapped up there. I imagine I stayed there 15 or 20 minutes and then went over on Houston Street to where I had my truck parked. I had just pulled away from the curb and was headed toward the Houston street viaduct [sic] when an automobile that had 3 men in it pulled away from the curb in a burst of speed, passing me on the right side, which was very dangerous at that point, then got in front of me, and it seemed then as an afterthought, slowed in a big hurry in front of me as though realizing they would be conspicuous in speeding. These three men were of slender build and seemed to be very excited in talking and motioning to each other. They went on across the Houston Street Viaduct and I turned off at Marsalis Street exit [sic] and they continued on going towards Zangs Blvd. They were in a 1961 or 1962 Chevrolet sedan, maroon in color. I [cross-out] don't believe I could identify these men, but I do believe I could identify the automobile if I saw it again.

/s/ Malcolm Summers

Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 23rd day of Nov A. D. 1963

[emphasis mine]

jfkassassination.net...



Q: How did John Rosselli and Charles Nicoletti get into the Dal-Tex building?(18)

A: That I could not say but I would believe they went through the front door...we had a side door they would be exiting from and I had parked this burgundy colored Chevrolet there, the '63 that I was driving, I'd parked that in the lot there. But when they entered the Dal-Tex building I was not there, I was on-site, back into the railroad yard at that point.

Q: Are you sure that they were in that Dal-Tex building?

A: I'm positive cause I had the car parked there, they were going to come out through the door and put their weapon...well, Johnny Rosselli had no weapon...Charles Nicoletti was the one that carried the rifle in there. That had been secured and he put that back into the trunk of the vehicle. I knew that was in the trunk because it was still there when I got to the motel...I took it out....cause that was....the plan was for him to come back...put his in the trunk...I would have the briefcase, I would slide it under the steering wheel. Johnny Rosselli was sitting in the back seat...Charles Nicoletti was sitting in the right front passenger's seat...I opened the door of the Chevrolet...got in...and drove out. As I come out of the parking lot, I made a right hand turn on to Houston street.(19)

Q: Where did you go after that?

A: After that...I went...I don't remember just how many blocks I proceeded ahead...but I went...maybe five, six blocks ahead to a major street. I took a left...went up a few more blocks by the expressway where there was an intersection there...an underpass...they had a gas station there. They had another car waiting there for them. They got out of the vehicle I was in...they walked across the parking lot. I never saw which way they went. I turned from there, made a right...and I headed back out to Mesquite....

[emphasis mine]

www.jfkmurdersolved.com...


Of course, James Files has had forty years to tailor his story, so I'm not saying that this proves anything.

www.consideritdone.cc...



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I know I'm not the first person to notice this, but it is very interesting to see it in print and I immediately thought of the James Files interview.


Yesterday, November 23, 1963, I was standing on the terrace of the small park on Elm Street to watch the President's motorcade. The President's car had just come up in front of me when I heard a shot and saw the President slump down in the car and heard Mrs. Kennedy say, "Oh, no," then a second shot and then I hit the ground as I realized these were shots. Then all of the people started running up the terrace away from the President's car and I got up and started running also, not realizing what had happened.


I guess the guy was still dazed, it says yesterday was the 23, the day JFK was murdered, should be the 22nd?

I find it very hard to believe he heard Jackie say "oh no".
He wasn't that close to the limo and I can't imagine Jackie shrieking like a fishwife.

Two big discrepancies IMHO.



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 10:18 PM
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Actually, I have heard from credible sources that Jackie was screaming that her husband's brains were in her lap and her crawling out onto the deck lid of the Lincoln was hardly a graceful gesture that we would ordinarily associate with the First Lady.

It's not the statement of Summers that is questionable, it's the "confession" of Files.


[edit on 2006/1/28 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 07:30 AM
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They went on across the Houston Street Viaduct and I turned off at Marsalis Street exit [sic] and they continued on going towards Zangs Blvd. They were in a 1961 or 1962 Chevrolet sedan, maroon in color. I [cross-out] don't believe I could identify these men, but I do believe I could identify the automobile if I saw it again.


Sounds like Malcolm Summers had a lot of information that the average spectator did not. He knew about 3 suspects in a burgundy car. Seems to be quite a coincidence. Unless of course this yahoo named Files used that testimony to help create his own story.

But, I would say Malcolm Summers was very likely involved in the conspiracy that day!

[edit on 29-1-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

[edit on 29-1-2006 by Excitable_Boy]



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
It's not the statement of Summers that is questionable, it's the "confession" of Files.

Grady, did you by chance ever see the interview/confession?
When I saw it, I must admit I was less than convince he actually pulled the trigger.
BUT, he seems to have a lot of info from somewhere, especially info on the Dal-Tex building shooter theory.



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 12:25 PM
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No, I didn't see the interview and I guess his story is somewhat plausible, but there are things that seem not to fit for me, like leaving his trademark at the scene of the crime, but there are no limits to the stupidity of some folks, even professional killers.

I also have to wonder why, if there was a shooter from the grassy knoll why there wasn't more chaos on the grassy knoll and why everyone went charging up that grassy knoll if shots came from that direction. Unarmed civilians don't generally charge armed gunmen en masse, in my experience. It would seem to me that Zapruder would have reacted involuntarily to a shot originating from behind him.

Also, Summers does seem to tie a lot of things together. He's watching the motorcade and sees Kennedy shot. He runs up the grassy knoll to the railroad tracks and reports that someone is being held there, which sounds like the three tramps who were hiding in a boxcar and then he runs back to his car and encounters the maroon or burgundy Chevy that is being used by Files and his accomplices.

So, while Summers might be involved and from what Files said in his interview, there was a virtual mob reunion on the grassy knoll, which I guess could account for why everyone was running up that hill.

The thing is that these theories and all this information has been floating around for all these years and there are those who have followed all of it for all these years and in retrospect all kinds of scenarios can be cooked up by folks to tie it all together.

After awhile every scenario, official or conspiratorial, sounds equally plausible and an objective observer is overwhelmed with conflicting views and repulsed by rabid true believers.

I also have to wonder about the Kennedy family. Why aren't they at the center of the controversy? If the official story wasn't good enough for them, wouldn't they be clamoring for more information? That's a hard one to analyze because with a family like the Kennedy's, who probably have more secrets than the Pentagon, there's no telling what they know and are not telling. It could be that they know that not only is the Warren Commission report wrong, but that every conspiracy theory is wrong, to boot, but they're not talking.


[edit on 2006/1/29 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 08:45 PM
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Grady, if you haven't already read it, Rush to Judgment, by Mark Lane is a good book.
It came out in 1966 and is Lane's critique of the Warren Commission's report.
I think the value of this book is that I think that over the years, a lot of information and disinformation have crept into the conspiracy, and many of us no longer know what is what.

In no way do I think the government is blameless in the events of 11-22-1963. After that, I'm not really sure.
But does it really make a difference who pulled the trigger? Or how many gunmen there were? When government starts lying like that, well, it's a tragic state of affairs.

If the only thing the government did was turn away at a critical moment, that is all that is needed to make me distrust my government.
And, I think they did much more than turn a blind eye.



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 09:25 PM
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Looks to me like summers is collapsing from seeing the president get killed.

Methinks he looks like he is running because Abe is panning the camera.



posted on Jan, 30 2006 @ 06:43 AM
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In Z353-356 we see Malcolm Summers diving to the ground. Summers is to the right of James Altgens. In Z353 Summers' left leg is extended most of the way out. But, in the very next frame, Z354, amazingly, the foreleg is bent markedly backward. Can anyone flex their foreleg to that degree so quickly? In 1/18th of a second


How long does it take to fall to the ground? There is nothing here that shows any evidence of any tampering. It's just a man running away from something and trying to get a better view of his handy work.



posted on Jan, 30 2006 @ 10:25 PM
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Tonight on the History channel they had a show on and they interviewed Gerald Ford about the Warren Commission. He said:
"The Warren Commission reviewed all the available evidence and we found no evidence of either an external or internal conspiracy. I'm not saying there wasn't a conspiracy. Just that we didn't see evidence of one."
Finally some one comes clean.
I think that says it all.
No more grasping for straws. The proof of conspiracy is right there.
Oswald shot JFK.
Oswald shot Officer Tippet.
Ruby shot Oswald.
Ruby had mob ties.
Oswald had a Russian connection.
After Castro kicked the mob out of Cuba the Russians moved in.
LBJ wanted to escalate the Vietnam War.
Kennedy didn't.
And still people feel the need to chase down obscure connections using technology that wasn't available then or prostelasizing on people who's only involvement was being there that day.
I think it's pretty clear to any reasoning person that the WC was a snow job. And to be off running down the green man or orange lady or the bag lady with the eye patch is counterproductive.
Focus on the knowns. There's plenty to question there without wild tangents and ludicrous logic



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 06:54 AM
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Oswald shot JFK.
Oswald shot Officer Tippet.
Ruby shot Oswald.
Ruby had mob ties.
Oswald had a Russian connection.


1. More than one person shot JFK
2. Oswald did not shoot Tippett....that was probably Ruby or someone else who needed to keep Tippett from talking, just like Oswald had to be shut up!
3. Correct! Ruby shot Oswald. That is on tape!
4. Ruby did have mob ties and he also knew Oswald...interesting connection. They both had offices in the same building in New orleans at the same time.
5. Oswald had a Russian connection that was created by the CIA as his cover initially and then as his doom as they used it against him. The CIA sent him to Russia.



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 06:16 PM
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Dang,some how my above post didn't come out the way I envisioned it as I was typing.What struck me was Fords inference that there may well have been a conspiracy.
I wasn't saying only Oswald shot JFK. My opinion is there were more than one shooter. And I'd be interested to see the proof Oswald didn't shoot Tippet. If you can point to that I would be grateful.
My thinking is that the mob had a definite reason to silence JFK because the Bay of Pigs failed and they wanted to continue their lucrative gambling business in Cuba. They suffered a huge monetary hit when Castro gave em the boot.
Keep diggin bro the truth is out there.



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 06:32 PM
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My thinking is that the mob had a definite reason to silence JFK because the Bay of Pigs failed and they wanted to continue their lucrative gambling business in Cuba. They suffered a huge monetary hit when Castro gave em the boot.


Oh yeah...they had a huge interest in Cuba, obviously. Also, they helped Joe Sr. get JFK elected and were supposed to get some favors in return (like help with Cuba) and also to get RFK off their backs. Once JFK was elected...they didn't get their return favors and they were not happy!

Regarding Tippet...it's just a gut instinct for me. Doesn't make sense that Oswald would kill him, but does make sense that Tippet was paid to help out with the days events and when it was over, they disposed of him as they disposed of Oswald.



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 06:51 PM
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Yeah I kinda thought the same thing re Tippet. I think it was staged with a lookalike to further frame Oswald. Everyone hates cop killers. The witness testimony to the Tippet shooting is dodgy at best. My feeling is it was meant to ensure Lee never saw the light of day. If shooting the Prez didn't make anyone go after Oswald(revenge for shooting their beloved Prez) then surely the cops would want justice for the killing of a Brother and would never allow Oswald to see a court room.





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