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Originally posted by Valhall
Well, it's not just that Zaphod, for pete's sake, Trizzle is so caught up in their "truth movement" that they've built some grand fantasy that there are extra-super-dooper-secrety-detonators out there that only Delta Force can get!
Which would require the super-dooper-forces to be the one to put these charges in the building, now wouldn't it? That brings in a whole new special realm of complication and hard-to-attain invisibility in the middle of downtown Manhattan, now doesn't it?
But they don't have super-dooper-secrety-detonators. Because the damned detonators they use are the same detonators used by companies who have the same designers who work in cooperation with Sandia Labs/DoD, et. al. to design the detonators that the military uses!
And some of those folks are the same folks I worked with for three years!
Oh my gosh! Some of us may actually know what we're talking about!
Originally posted by Zaphod58
On the one hand, you have Steve Jones, a BYU Physics Professor, who says that WTC HAD to have been a controlled demo. .
Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
i never said that alternative theories shouldn't be questioned.
in fact i do question them quite often and there are plenty i believe to be hogwash.
but people like you that rabidly question the alternative theories and tout the official story as the ultimate truth are just as guilty of what you are accusing me of.
yes i want truth.
and yes even if ALL of the theories are incorrect, including the official one, i'll admit i want said officials overthrown.
but no i don't want to take their place.
Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
feel free to run yourselves in circles with pure speculation all you want.
i just know that you will not find anything whatsoever on high tech covert military explosives which are clearly what would have been involved in a controlled demo at the wtc.
At the risk of the ire of Valhall, could you please provide some website URL's associated with your "truth movement" and the one in which you spend most of your time?
As for the topic of this thread. There are two possibilties that are within the realm of logic:
1> The building was constructed with the explosive charges in-place. There's no other way to place enough high-explosives to demolish the building without being discovered.
2> The buildings (1 and 2) were not demolished, and brought down by the impact and resulting fires of two passenger airlines.
Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
no matter how much any of you claim you know about explosives and traditional controlled demo i can say with certainty that NONE of you know jack about high tech covert military explosives.
i was only making the point that you cannot call yourself a skeptic if you are not skeptical to the official story.
Originally posted by Valhall
my sarcasm knows no bounds, I assure you.
Did you see my question about the prisonplanet article? Are you going to contribute to this thread? You haven't yet, you do realize that don't you?
Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
nonsense.
this would have to mean that you have proven that it is impossible for them to have somehow wired the building with high tech covert military explosives over the course of weeks or months.
you have done no such thing.
nor could anyone. it would be impossible to prove.
Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
ps) I haven't even got into the RDX or Thermite "slice" rate (which would effect blast distance) or column failure threshold testing. Want to state again that any reseach is pointless?
After all...if its impossible to prove they didn't, the you certainly must be able to prove they did.
Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
well sorry but the truth movement is nothing but independent researchers/concerned patriots that are trying to get down to the truth.
you see it's the official story that is not allowed to have deviation/anomalies/inaccuracies.
the truth movement can and will be wrong about a lot of things.
the truth movement is not a single entity so this says nothing as to the lack of accuracy of the official story.
the truth movement does not put forth a complete and exact theory of what happened.
Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
even though all of the observable evidence points towards it
bottom line though.......
Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
so sarcasm and tone is only regulated with members and mods can behave however they want.
gotcha.
even though all of the observable evidence points towards it
Originally posted by Valhall
Okay, but there's other people out here (including myself) that acknowledges there are information gaps, anomalies, and outright lies connected with the official 9/11 report and "story" who do NOT agree with...
BUT, guess what, we believe we are looking for the truth to fill the information gaps, make logical the illogical anomalies of the official story, and to research and reveal as much as possible to force the truth instead of the lies.
So...just because we're not part of some group you are part of, and just because we can't agree that the government blew up the buildings or shot missiles into the Pentagon, does NOT make us the enemy. It makes us fellow citizens seeking the truth surrounding a really gimped up event - that smells like 7 day old tuna.
You came here with some kind of preconceived notion and you have not allowed yourself to see that there are a lot of us here that don't buy the official story - even though we can't buy yours either. I don't have to agree with an alternative theory that makes little to no additional sense than the official story. I think I'll hold out for one that beats both if it's okay with you.
Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
well sorry but the truth movement is nothing but independent researchers/concerned patriots that are trying to get down to the truth.
you see it's the official story that is not allowed to have deviation/anomalies/inaccuracies.
the truth movement can and will be wrong about a lot of things.
the truth movement is not a single entity so this says nothing as to the lack of accuracy of the official story.
the truth movement does not put forth a complete and exact theory of what happened.
.... is nothing but independent researchers/concerned patriots that are trying to get down to the truth.
... can and will be wrong about a lot of things.
... is not a single entity so this says nothing as to the lack of accuracy of the official story.
... does not put forth a complete and exact theory of what happened.
... if I recall, these are a few of the reasons I joined ATS! ???
?a common thread ?
Hmmm ...now that we may have found a common thread, hopefully we can build upon it in search of a common goal.
My concerns for the overall credibility of the Truth Movement are such that, it initially started from a grassroots approach only to become the business venture it appears to be today. Yes, they are great in numbers, but it seems their overall vision has concluded and narrowed over time.
Just my opinion.
[edit: amy to may]
[edit on 1/29/2006 by 12m8keall2c]
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
so sarcasm and tone is only regulated with members and mods can behave however they want.
gotcha.
Generally, when "trollish behavior" is observed by members attempting to derail threads by simply denouncing the topics without adding to the discussion, we relax some guidelines for those who are active in the thread topic so that the troll may be addressed.
It's always best to contribute to topics in a collaborative way. When you don't, you should expect the ire of those who were.