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Topic started on 28-1-2006 @ 03:22 AM by zer69
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I watched a good and lengthy documentary on TV called "Implosions" or something like that. This docu was a detailed explanation how the demolition
crew is performing the demolitions of buildings. They explained the basics of implosion, shown a bunch of actual demolitions and so on. What was very
informative for me was that they documented one exact demolition of 10 story building.
This 10 story old building had steel columns, in docu they explained how they need to plant explosives on each floor and on each column, they even
weakened the columns before the implosion with welding unit. Before the actual explosion they removed everything between floors so only the steel
columns were visible. They stated that it takes weeks to take down this kind of building.
So I have a question for members who believe that the 1,2,7 were demoed. If the buildings were demoed, what do you think how the explosions were set
up? You think that the explosions were only in the basement? From my amateur view I doubt if it is enough to put the explosions in the basement and
expect such fine symmetrical implosion. OK, so you think on each floor? Doubt again, how they were able to put the explosives on each floor with all
the people in the buildings? During the night? What about the massive amount of explosives which needed to be used, how they could actually hide
them?
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 06:05 AM by Essan
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Since the Towers collapsed from the top down, the explosives must have been placed in, or close to, the floors which the aircraft hit.......
Obviously they were also invisible or else some of the thousands of people working there would have noticed something
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 08:03 AM by dgtempe
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It seems to me i read that the explosives were placed in the buildings when they were built.
Why? I've yet to find out. It could be that it was a plan all along, from many years ago.
On the other hand, i dont know if all high rises have explosives put in to make implosions easier at a later date.
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 12:14 PM by GradyPhilpott
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Originally posted by dgtempe
It seems to me i read that the explosives were placed in the buildings when they were built.
On the other hand, i dont know if all high rises have explosives put in to make implosions easier at a later date.
Few people realize it, but every structure in America built after 1950, including apartment buildings, hospitals, schools and office buildings have
high explosives built right into them to facilitate demolition years later, as dg surmises. Of course, building contractors keep this information
from building owners and tenants because it might very well make some people nervous. It's just a courtesy for the anxious among us, the way some
hotels and such used to not have a 13th floor. The cost of the explosives (which can be quite considerable) is usually hidden from developers as
plumbing costs, as most developers are clueless about plumbing and only care that waste is effectively eliminated from the premises, regardless of the
costs.
And now you know the rest of the story. Good Day!
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 01:10 PM by Skibum
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The cost of the explosives (which can be quite considerable) are usually hidden from developers as plumbing costs
Exactly, you don't really think that bill for 75 dollars an hour is for plumbing do you. As a contractor, that was one of the hardest things to keep
secret, but I'm glad its out now.
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 01:14 PM by zer69
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Few people realize, but every structure in America built after 1950, including apartment buildings, hospitals, schools and office buildings have high
explosives built right into them to facilitate demolition years later, as dg surmises.
I already heard this once, but this seems to me as sci-fi, can you provide some links and so on? Thanks.
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 01:29 PM by Griff
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What I don't get is people who think that planes and fire brought the tower down by collapsing one story have a hard time believing that they
wouldn't need to place the explosives on every floor. What's up? Did one story failing bring the towers down or did every story need to be blown
up? What is the logic in that?
I mean why is it logical to believe that one story failing can bring the towers down but not only one story being demolished? It doesn't make sense
to me. If it only takes one story to make a building go into complete utter destruction, why don't explosives experts use this method? It would
certainly cost much less than having to demolish every floor and every column wouldn't it?
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 01:37 PM by zer69
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Griff,
I am not sure what brought the towers down, I'm just trying to ask questions. Yeah you're probably right that I used wrong word up there, it
would've been better to write something like "Doubt again, how they were able to put the explosives on each or some floors with all the people in
the buildings?"
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 01:45 PM by Valhall
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Few people realize, but every structure in America built after 1950, including apartment buildings, hospitals, schools and office buildings have high
explosives built right into them to facilitate demolition years later, as dg surmises. Of course, building contractors keep this information from
building owners and tenants because it might very well make some people nervous. It's just a courtesy for the anxious among us, the way some hotels
and such used to not have a 13th floor. The cost of the explosives (which can be quite considerable) is usually hidden from developers as plumbing
costs, as most developers are clueless about plumbing and only care that waste is effectively eliminated from the premises, regardless of the
costs.
[edit on 2006/1/28 by GradyPhilpott]
Prove it.
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 01:55 PM by ANOK
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Just some food for thought...
"On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no
electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to
ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was
that cabling in the tower was being upgraded ...
sf.indymedia.org...
Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and
said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York’s Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th
floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC’s computer bandwidth.
sf.indymedia.org...
George W. Bush's brother, Marvin P. Bush's company Securacom provided electronic security for the World Trade Center. The company was backed by
an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family and the Kuwaiti Ambassador's daughter that lied setting up
the Incubator Babies Hoax to start the first Gulf War.
Disgraced Police Police Commissioner and adulterer Bernard Kerik, Giuliani's close ally, admitted they planned for building collapses and practiced
them immediately before in 9/11 testimony. MSNBC Expose
www.libertypost.org...
Stratesec, a now-defunct company that had security contracts at the World Trade Center and Dulles International Airport, should be investigated,
among others, because of the strange coincidence that President Bush’s brother, Marvin P. Bush, and his cousin, Wirt D. Walker III, were principals
in the company, with Walker acting as CEO from 1999 until January 2002 and Marvin reportedly in New York on 9/11. At least one report claims that a
"power down" condition prevailed on September 8–9 (pdf, p. 45) at WTC to complete a "cabling upgrade," presenting an opportunity to plant
explosives with low risk of detection.
www.lewrockwell.com...
Firefighter Edward Cachia independently reported:
[We] thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came
down…It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. (Dwyer, 2005; emphasis added.)
www.reopen911.org...
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 02:03 PM by GradyPhilpott
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 02:12 PM by LeftBehind
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The Scott Forbes story has not been confirmed, nor has the existence of Scott Forbes. How is it that half of one tower was powered down, and only
one guy has talked about it.
911 review even calls Forbes story a hoax.
911review.com...
After being posted on scores of websites for over a year, this story has failed to elicit any corroborating reports, even about the identity of
'Scott Forbes'. Aside from the fact that the sourcing of the story doesn't meet the most basic journalistic standards, its content is thoroughly
implausible.
There is a blogger out there who claims to have interviewed Forbes, but that interview and the initial email are anonymous sources.
As Zer69 pointed out it takes a lot longer than 36 hours to prepare a ten story building for demo. Heres an account where the demo of a 33 story
building took 24 days.
www.controlled-demolition.com...
In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating
cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of
2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 “primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion
initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum.
So even if Forbes story is true, are we to believe that 50+ storys were prepared for demolition in 36 hours? I think that the evidence points to
no.
Secondly let's say that somehow they managed this amazing feet, where is the power down in the second tower? Forbes story only accounts for one
building.
Marvin Bush stopped working at Stratesec in 2000.
www.commondreams.org...
Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000.
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 02:22 PM by ihatescifi
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If they were built into the towers then, as AgentSmith points out, why do the plane impacts not dislodge them or blow them up?
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 02:44 PM by Lumos
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Not every explosive is unstable, see RDX for example:
wikipedia: RDX
At room temperature, it is a very stable product. It burns rather than explodes and only detonates with a detonator, being unaffected even by small
arms fire.
Or here, wikipedia about C4:
C-4 is widely renowned for being malleable. It can be molded into gaps in buildings and under bridges, or into any desired shape. C-4 is also well
known for its durability and reliability. It will not explode even if shot, punched, cut, or thrown into a fire. The only method for detonation is a
detonator or blasting cap.
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 04:19 PM by zer69
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Well, of course, proof is hard to come by, but we can make certain inferences:
OK, your links are mainly from biased sources, so I am not taking them too seriously. But lets say that they were explosives inside WTC's concrete,
do you think that after almost 30 years they were operational on 9/11?
What I see as possible is that they make preset holes for future demolitions in skyscrapers.
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 04:49 PM by smallpeeps
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LeftBehind said:
So even if Forbes story is true, are we to believe that 50+ storys were prepared for demolition in 36 hours? I think that the evidence points to no.
I'm no expert, of course, but I think the WTC makes it possible.
The pics I've seen of WTC show a huge, massive central column running up the building like a central spine. Then there's the outer framing which
provided the lateral support. Most of the weight, from what I could see (and read) is supported by the central column, as shown in available
construction photos.
It seems that the logistics of demoing a building are often determined by an hourly fee or what have you. Also each building they face is often brick
and mortar, and therefore with four points of weight distribution, knocking it straight down without toppling it takes more rigging and more wiring,
blasting caps, etc.
WTC, on the other hand, seems to have a big central thick concrete spine which held a lot of the weight. Knocking that (single load-bearing)
component out, would probably drop the whole item right into the subway. This central support core (with strengthening outside lattice) made the WTC
towers unique, from what I've read.
If a group of military-level engineers needs to rig WTC to come down, I'm sure it could be rigged inside 24 hours. Once the right threads are cut,
all heavy things fall in a straight line toward Earth.
They don't always cook for two weeks, but then thermite is needed for evidence-erasure... Oh wait. I mean jet fuel burns for weeks.
GradyPhilpott said:
every structure in America built after 1950, including apartment buildings, hospitals, schools and office buildings have high explosives built right
into them to facilitate demolition years later, as dg surmises.
I think somebody needs to take his meds.
Either that, or Grady's onto the largest conspiracy in the history of man. Imagine how many building contractors are potential terrorists now!
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 05:55 PM by WithinyouWithoutyou
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the "failed" 1996 bombing attack on the WTC. That bomb (Which we are told was placed upside down) demolished the
underground parking area and the first several floors of the building. I'm sure it required extensive work to repair. Seems like the perfect time to
be planting explosives...
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 06:20 PM by derdy
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Originally posted by LeftBehind
Marvin Bush stopped working at Stratesec in 2000.
www.commondreams.org...
Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000.
regarding fiscal year 2000... i know some companies fiscal year end is in december and other in june/july.... isn't it possible that the end of
fiscal 2000 for that company is in june/july 2001? I'm not sure if companies that operate like that are staggered ahead or behind, that's why i'm
asking
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 09:37 PM by Lyte Trizzle
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with unlimited access to the towers (not being hindered by marvin bush being on the board of directors of the company that controlled security at the
wtc, securacom), unlimited time, and unlimited resources including covert military technology...........it's not a far stretch to imagine it as
possible.
contractors were perpetually working in the towers doing something or other.
there is no reason to believe that they couldn't have had "contractors" wire the place with high tech explosives late at night over a period of
weeks or months.
since of course the only hypothesis about how the the towers fell that actually works is
professor jones' it doesn't make sense to work backwards and speculate "how" they
wired the building.
because obviously you must realize zer69; the only answers you can get to your question would have to be speculation.
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 09:53 PM by Lyte Trizzle
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Originally posted by derdy
regarding fiscal year 2000... i know some companies fiscal year end is in december and other in june/july.... isn't it possible that the end of
fiscal 2000 for that company is in june/july 2001? I'm not sure if companies that operate like that are staggered ahead or behind, that's why i'm
asking
as if it matters.
securacom, now called stratesec, suspiciously had the contract to run security at the towers right up until the very day of 9/11. isn't it
odd that their contract ran out on that day?
and do you really think as a member of the board of directors from 1993 to 2000 and a significant shareholder in the company that marvin bush's
influence/connections with the company completely ceased in 2000 when he stepped down as board of directors?
come on!
he was the brother of the sitting president.
if anything, the end of his tenure with the company so soon before 9/11 is indicative of a proactive move on his part to cover his ass!
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