If the towers were demoed, how the explosives were set up?, page 1
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 01:55 PM by ANOK
Just some food for thought...

"On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded ...


sf.indymedia.org...

Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York’s Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC’s computer bandwidth.


sf.indymedia.org...

George W. Bush's brother, Marvin P. Bush's company Securacom provided electronic security for the World Trade Center. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family and the Kuwaiti Ambassador's daughter that lied setting up the Incubator Babies Hoax to start the first Gulf War.

Disgraced Police Police Commissioner and adulterer Bernard Kerik, Giuliani's close ally, admitted they planned for building collapses and practiced them immediately before in 9/11 testimony. MSNBC Expose


www.libertypost.org...

Stratesec, a now-defunct company that had security contracts at the World Trade Center and Dulles International Airport, should be investigated, among others, because of the strange coincidence that President Bush’s brother, Marvin P. Bush, and his cousin, Wirt D. Walker III, were principals in the company, with Walker acting as CEO from 1999 until January 2002 and Marvin reportedly in New York on 9/11. At least one report claims that a "power down" condition prevailed on September 8–9 (pdf, p. 45) at WTC to complete a "cabling upgrade," presenting an opportunity to plant explosives with low risk of detection.


www.lewrockwell.com...

Firefighter Edward Cachia independently reported:

[We] thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down…It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. (Dwyer, 2005; emphasis added.)


www.reopen911.org...


reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 02:12 PM by LeftBehind
The Scott Forbes story has not been confirmed, nor has the existence of Scott Forbes. How is it that half of one tower was powered down, and only one guy has talked about it.

911 review even calls Forbes story a hoax.

911review.com...

After being posted on scores of websites for over a year, this story has failed to elicit any corroborating reports, even about the identity of 'Scott Forbes'. Aside from the fact that the sourcing of the story doesn't meet the most basic journalistic standards, its content is thoroughly implausible.


There is a blogger out there who claims to have interviewed Forbes, but that interview and the initial email are anonymous sources.


As Zer69 pointed out it takes a lot longer than 36 hours to prepare a ten story building for demo. Heres an account where the demo of a 33 story building took 24 days.

www.controlled-demolition.com...

In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of 2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 “primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum.



So even if Forbes story is true, are we to believe that 50+ storys were prepared for demolition in 36 hours? I think that the evidence points to no.

Secondly let's say that somehow they managed this amazing feet, where is the power down in the second tower? Forbes story only accounts for one building.

Marvin Bush stopped working at Stratesec in 2000.

www.commondreams.org...

Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000.



reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 02:44 PM by Lumos
Not every explosive is unstable, see RDX for example:

wikipedia: RDX
At room temperature, it is a very stable product. It burns rather than explodes and only detonates with a detonator, being unaffected even by small arms fire.


Or here, wikipedia about C4:

C-4 is widely renowned for being malleable. It can be molded into gaps in buildings and under bridges, or into any desired shape. C-4 is also well known for its durability and reliability. It will not explode even if shot, punched, cut, or thrown into a fire. The only method for detonation is a detonator or blasting cap.


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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 04:49 PM by smallpeeps

LeftBehind said:
So even if Forbes story is true, are we to believe that 50+ storys were prepared for demolition in 36 hours? I think that the evidence points to no.

I'm no expert, of course, but I think the WTC makes it possible.

The pics I've seen of WTC show a huge, massive central column running up the building like a central spine. Then there's the outer framing which provided the lateral support. Most of the weight, from what I could see (and read) is supported by the central column, as shown in available construction photos.

It seems that the logistics of demoing a building are often determined by an hourly fee or what have you. Also each building they face is often brick and mortar, and therefore with four points of weight distribution, knocking it straight down without toppling it takes more rigging and more wiring, blasting caps, etc.

WTC, on the other hand, seems to have a big central thick concrete spine which held a lot of the weight. Knocking that (single load-bearing) component out, would probably drop the whole item right into the subway. This central support core (with strengthening outside lattice) made the WTC towers unique, from what I've read.

If a group of military-level engineers needs to rig WTC to come down, I'm sure it could be rigged inside 24 hours. Once the right threads are cut, all heavy things fall in a straight line toward Earth.

They don't always cook for two weeks, but then thermite is needed for evidence-erasure... Oh wait. I mean jet fuel burns for weeks.


GradyPhilpott said:
every structure in America built after 1950, including apartment buildings, hospitals, schools and office buildings have high explosives built right into them to facilitate demolition years later, as dg surmises.

I think somebody needs to take his meds.

Either that, or Grady's onto the largest conspiracy in the history of man. Imagine how many building contractors are potential terrorists now!


reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 06:20 PM by derdy
Originally posted by LeftBehind

Marvin Bush stopped working at Stratesec in 2000.

www.commondreams.org...

Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000.


regarding fiscal year 2000... i know some companies fiscal year end is in december and other in june/july.... isn't it possible that the end of fiscal 2000 for that company is in june/july 2001? I'm not sure if companies that operate like that are staggered ahead or behind, that's why i'm asking
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