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Satanic Child Abuse "assisted" by Victorian Government

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Cug

posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by gps777

Now i`m the first to admit i`m not into magic magik what ever,but how on earth would he know this to be the case?,and for what purpose if he knew this to be true,swear by it?


Human sacrifices have been very common at different points of history. Crowley had an opinion on how it spiritual worked. Many anthropologists today might also have an opinion on how it works.



If it was because he was told by some mythical God or what not or where ever he got this information from other than actually doing it and finding out first hand,dont you think then its quite likely people (Satanists)actually do this?.



Gen 22:9-10
And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.


Do you think it's possible some Christian might do this to prove that he fearest God? What if God doesn't stop them and say hey use this ram instead? No? Ditto!



Whats this?you sometimes crucify an animal and stab it to death?



Gen 22:13
And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind [him] a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.


Do you sometimes offer a ram? No? Ditto!




posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 07:51 AM
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Cug i`m well aware of those Bible quotes,sacrifices in the OT were to God,so are you saying that your sacrificng animals to the Chistrian God?

If so i`d like to inform you that Christ was the ultimate sacrifice.

Or as i read it envoking,or harnessing spirits and or the energy of the victim to use for what ever purpose i have no idea.


Cug

posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by gps777
Cug i`m well aware of those Bible quotes,sacrifices in the OT were to God,so are you saying that your sacrificng animals to the Chistrian God?


Ahh OK. Sacrificing is OK if you do to your god. It's bad mojo if anyones else even talks about it.



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by gps777
This is`nt about Christians vs Satanists,its about Satanist who sexually ritually abuse children So can we put that to bed.Unless someone can provide proof that these Priests sexually abused children at Church during a Catholic mass or something in front of the congregation that non Christian,Athiests Satanist like to use when ever these things are mentioned.


Here you have made a blanket accusation. You accuse and vilify a group of
people who even your most high ranking ( those at the top, the highest grades,
the inner circle,) Fundies cant ID with any accuracy or agreement on what constitutes a Satanist. As a Matter of FACT any who wish to take part
in a little experiment do this.
provide me with your particular flavor of xianity and i will provide you with
a site location for one of your xian brothers that defines your beliefs as Satanic.




The Goddess is alive and Majick is afoot

[edit on 28-1-2006 by stalkingwolf]

[edit on 28-1-2006 by stalkingwolf]



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by Cug
Ahh OK. Sacrificing is OK if you do to your god. It's bad mojo if anyones else even talks about it.


come on Cug dont get snappy you can do better than that,bad mojo
what i dont think is fair here is that this thread is about Satanic abuse and staight away its turned to the Catholic Priest line. that are obviously bad and against God.

Like now you quote the Bible,and quotes that are irelevant,seeing Christ was the ultimate sacrifice.

Which God is your God that you sacrifice to Cug?



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by suzy ryan
I can't help but wonder why so many members of secret societies and occult groups 'care' so much to play down or debunk the fact of Organized, Protected Satanic Child Abuse Rings.


Well done, excellent thread. Not enough is known or get's out to the gen public about these issues..


Cug

posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by gps777

come on Cug dont get snappy you can do better than that,bad mojo


Hey! I thought it was a good line!



Like now you quote the Bible,and quotes that are irelevant,seeing Christ was the ultimate sacrifice.


What I was getting at was basically "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" Your horrified over the mention of sacrifice, except when it's mentioned in your personal Holy Book. Anyway I'm going to stop talking about your Religion. I personally feel ragging on someones religion is something extremely vile and that's where I'm headed if I keep this up.



Which God is your God that you sacrifice to Cug?


Which God do you sacrifice to gps777?
OK now I'm done talking about it.



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 09:04 AM
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why dont you go and start another thread arguing about God/secret societies? hmm???

this issue is about the Victorian Govt turning a blind eye to sexual abuse of children, children that had been placed in their care. The majority of responses have gone off topic! too busy arguing about God/Church OR some secret society...




posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 09:43 AM
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the Historical Abuse Network (HAN) provides formal and informal peer support opportunities for people who identify as having experienced abuse in institutions, detention centres and foster care.


Apology (PDF 62 KB) - In response to the recommendations of the Forde Inquiry , the Queensland Government in collaboration with responsible religious authorities issued a joint formal statement of apology to those harmed in Queensland institutions during their childhood.This apology statement was tabled in Parliament on 26 August 1999. www.communities.qld.gov.au...



Senate Inquiry, Residential and Foster Care
c. 1930s to 1970s
Overall, many residents in care experienced hard — even horrific — childhoods, the scars of which permeated their adult lives. On the other hand, the scandals over institutional child care have gutted the reputations of a number of religious organisations...This is being written, early May 2003, in the wake of the release of the Report of the Inquiry, Anglican Church, Archdiocese of Brisbane, into the handling of sexual abuse cases during Archbishop Peter Hollingsworth tenure.

One of the points which has emerged is the difficulty the church had — and in my view has — in meeting community expectations in dealing with sexual abuse matters. In essence, Archbishop Hollingsworth and other church leaders in Brisbane gave the interests of the abused children and their parents low priority; church workers interests at various levels, including abusers interests, received higher priority. www.aph.gov.au...



www.aic.gov.au... (this one is in pdf)
so check out if ur interested....


The Hon. A. G. CORBETT [3.33 p.m.]: The royal commission report has detailed a sad and distressing tale of abuse and corruption. Attention has been drawn to individuals who abused and violated our children, stole from them the joy, trust and wonder of childhood and sentenced them to long-lasting emotional pain and trauma. The royal commission made us aware of those employed in institutions who remained silent or averted their gaze when told of abuse. It brought to public notice the unedifying evidence of government agencies and departments that were ill-equipped or not prepared to deal effectively with abuse and failed to co-operate and liaise with each other when the needs and interests of children demanded such co-ordination. One cannot read the report without experiencing various emotions, particularly anger, disgust and disappointment. The report is a catalogue of how individuals, schools, churches, government agencies and departments, the justice system and, ultimately, the community failed to provide children with the care, protection and security they needed, expected and deserved. ......

The commission’s stand on recovered memory is absolutely correct. It also dealt with satanic ritual abuse and obviously this was by far the most controversial and the most difficult to investigate. This category might include abuse by followers of the occult, satanism, bizarre sexual practices or fetishes repeated in a ritualised way; sexual activity in the context of symbolism; activities with religious, satanic, supernatural, magical or mystical connotations or involving storybook, cartoon or
Page 290
clown characters employed to coerce unsophisticated victims into submission and combining abuse and play; or pseudoritual abuse and ritualised sadomasochism sometimes accompanied by accidental death or murder
..see: www.parliament.nsw.gov.au...


there are so many instances of this but it is all pushed to the corner...




posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 10:55 AM
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What's funny here is how "Satanists" are more concerned with ensuring the name of their god, is not attached to such evil.

That's the most important thing: To make sure that Satan isn't blamed for the abuse. THAT IT GOES ON, REPEATEDLY, AND UNREPORTED cannot be discussed yet because we have to make sure that good ol' Satan is not blamed. Too much.

This is hogwash, because I know infants have been used in satanic rituals (used = killed). In fact, there are cults which hold captive (brainwashed) women as "cows" to produce babies for this purpose. They are kept all sexed up by the men, and thier offspring are killed, skinned, etc. I had to dig to find this information. It exists with the poor people who exist right below the surface of real life. The credibility of my informant is good enough for me, but it doesn't constitute evidence for y'all so nevermind then. The specific details will stay with me as a bargaining chip should I ever need that.

If you think "Satan" is some kind of benign entity, then you are a fool. When people want to concentrate evil, and are willing to break the largest taboo, Satan may manifest himself there. Murder is one thing, but murdering or torturing an innocent child is the ultimate "selling of soul" to the entity you are trying to conjure or placate. Satan (or the embodiment of the desire of those assembled) will manifest in such cases of true sadism. There's another thread on ATS about "How to Sell Your Soul"... I think people's souls get "sold" by performing or participating in sadistically unbelievable rituals. It does give people power, for what power is worth (not much). Sadism is sweet to Satan.

Seriously tho', Satan isn't behind the majority of child abuse directly, and most of it is not ritualized per se. I enjoy developing relationships with people who are cast aside from society. I like to talk to foster kids, both young and old, and ask them what they've seen, felt and experienced. I like to talk to people who are institutionalized and in and out of jail. I like to ask them, "Tell me about your childhood." If you do these things also, you will find the truth about what children are used for.

Most people are not really interested in hearing about the childhood experiences of "worthless" or abandoned humans like orphans, ex-cons, etc. If you were to actually go do some recon, you wouldn't get through five such people without hearing at least one story of serious, abusive childhood trauma.

Some people are just recreational child abusers. As sadists, they get off on seeing kids beaten or locked in the closet, or worse. It gives their ego a charge to increase another person's helplessness. Makes themselves feel less helpless. For a true account of this kind, I'd suggest Charred Souls by Trena Cole. This is a story about an American "baby-factory" which is really just a dirt poor family where recreational child abuse went on. I know of other families like this in real life.

Because I Remember Terror, Father, I Remember You is another great book wherein the author describes her years of secret abuse at the hands of...

...wait for it...

...An international banker! Yes, see this girl, Sue William Silverman, was given as a child-gift, to her sick, powerfully governmentally connected father. Who gave him this gift? Why his loving, obedient wife did. Oh what's that?! Elite people like world bankers would never hold their own child as a sex slave, would they? Well you won't see any child's accusal of a powerful adult make the TV news, that's for sure. It takes individual humans to find out what's really happening.

I could go on, but really now, I don't want to interrupt the defense of Satan's good name.

Please, continue.



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 03:09 PM
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I considder my self to be a Satanist or atleast someone affiliated with the figure that the bible refers to as Satan and we don't differ excessively much from Christians, there are always these idiots that think they can be evil because they worship Satan...WRONG...that's about just as wrong as Christians killing for god or Muslims blowing them selves up for Allah.

I condemn the so called "Devil Worshippers" that commit evil because they worship "evil", and sadly, the bible is to blaim for the stigma of evil Satan has gotten.



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by NJE777
why dont you go and start another thread arguing about God/secret societies? hmm???

this issue is about the Victorian Govt turning a blind eye to sexual abuse of children, children that had been placed in their care. The majority of responses have gone off topic! too busy arguing about God/Church OR some secret society...


NJE777
I think its important to point out that without secret societies God/Satan there would`nt be a thread on this to begin with.Your posts have added good value to the topic and i for 1 appreciated your contribution,Sadly as much as you or like Suzy tries to wake people up to these horrors it will still continue as noble a cause as it is.

As Smallpeeps has pointed out in his shocking post Satan is real and his followers,do all Satanist kill babies?No imo.

He has followers doing his bidding in the highest to lowest parts of all society and if you dont know it already will manifest himself (Satan)eventually here and declare Himself God on earth which he will force all to worship Himself or die this earthly life.The only way this can happen which the foundations of have been set in place for eons is for Governments secret societies etc and those key people that run them to be directly involved.

It cannot be stopped except by God Himself and he will.

Your choice`s are very limited whether you believe it or not which are God through Christ or Satan through direct worship or indirectly by which i mean if you dont believe these are your choices,though its important to add that God is the judge of everyone in the end.

The discusion Cug and myself were having i believe brought out some things that people can read to better understand 2 very opposed beliefs on which a reader can take something from,and hopefully helps with peoples decisions which their limited choices.

The most important thing one can do is to protect your own children from this firstly which most people do even if they hav`nt heard of SRB.Though i have read of a school being involved in one of these threads though once again there was murky water surrounding the claims as per usual dealing with murky water.

So imo Cug and the admitted Satanists and myself are on topic and because quite rightly so you cannot go around calling anyone a Satanic baby killer without 1 knowing this as a fact 2 knowing who they are and all those involved which is where the secrecy is necessary being involved with people with influential powerful positions enough to get away with their crimes.

Some people usually the same ones post only hate or purely to disrupt as like one member,just ignore them,most people do and they are eventually usually banned for it anyway.



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 07:50 PM
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Oh Cug..still into sex magic?

Remember our little conversation on Crowley's writings?

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Pg 92: starts off

CHAPTER XII
OF THE BLOODY SACRIFICE: AND MATTERS COGNATE.


Pg 94:

"It would be unwise to condemn as irrational the practice of those savages who tear the heart and liver from an adversary, and devour them while yet warm. In any case it was the theory of the ancient Magicians, that any living being is a storehouse of energy varying in quantity according to the size and health of the animal, and in quality according to its mental and moral character. At the death of the animal this energy is liberated suddenly.

The animal should therefore be killed within the Circle, or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape. An animal should be selected whose nature accords with that of the ceremony --- thus, by sacrificing a female lamb one would not obtain any appreciate quantity of the fierce energy useful to a Magician who was invoking Mars. In such a case a ram would be more suitable. And this ram should be virgin --- the whole potential of its original total energy should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim. "


He most certainly did embrace the nature of child sacrifice being of the highest of the Godhead and some elementals like Belial, do indeed ask for it. Why defend that little homo-demon dwarf when he clearly was an evil man...even rape and emancipation is endorsed by him!

I might also mention this: You Satanists - go get a life and stop worshiping your petty-little personalities (which denotes Ahrimanic egoism thus you worship a deity)...so don't even bother mentioning that your an atheist Satanist, cause its the same damn thing! Understand that your EGO is the God...not your private parts, passions and petty little personailties clouded in ignorance!




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Cug

posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by markusjharper

I might also mention this: You Satanists - go get a life and stop worshiping your petty-little personalities





Originally posted by gps777
So imo Cug and the admitted Satanists and myself are on topic and because quite rightly so you cannot go around calling anyone a Satanic baby killer without 1 knowing this as a fact 2 knowing who they are and all those involved which is where the secrecy is necessary being involved with people with influential powerful positions enough to get away with their crimes.


Well said gps. But if you want to know one of the main reasons secrecy is necessary look at the above quote and the anger that is hidden within. Having been at a meeting where a brick was thrown through a window with "repent sinners" written on it (or something to that effect.. I'm getting old
) there still is plenty of reasons for secrecy.



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 12:14 AM
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Did I hear correctly? The Steiner school is named after Rudolph Steiner?


200% pedo scum lair for sure.



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 02:04 AM
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well ty for ur response...but I don't really care what 'hat' you want to put this under or whatever hat you wear!!

The fact of the matter is children are being sexually ritually abused by a group of sick individuals...!!! Are the links/reports I posted garbage? NO! they are Govt responses to actual reports. What more proof do you require??? Sexual ritual abuse is carried out by a lot of different people wearing different hats!

This conduct by sicko's wearing different hats is referred to as 'satanic ritual'...OK? Go and protest to the Govt/or academia that the concept and practice of 'satanism' is being misconstrued....




posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 02:27 AM
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there ya go! You have your own thread now to argue and debate about what a satanist does and doesn't do!





posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by NJE777
well ty for ur response...but I don't really care what 'hat' you want to put this under or whatever hat you wear!!

I can only guess this post is meant for me??


The fact of the matter is children are being sexually ritually abused by a group of sick individuals...!!! Are the links/reports I posted garbage? NO! they are Govt responses to actual reports. What more proof do you require??? Sexual ritual abuse is carried out by a lot of different people wearing different hats!

Did i dispute it?or did i say it was a good contribution and noble cause,maybe it would have been better for you not to have read that bit?


This conduct by sicko's wearing different hats is referred to as 'satanic ritual'...OK? Go and protest to the Govt/or academia that the concept and practice of 'satanism' is being misconstrued....

do you believe your doing more than i to stop it happening?By yelling at people who believe it exists?
Remeber something the people who post here are not the only ones who read it,and it can be read way into the future by anyone, maybe the very people who perpertrate these horrors,i cannot believe in any other message better than the message of Christ which might affect them.
However small a contribution you may think that is, also printing out many different pages on these and other subjects letting people become aware what is out there and whats happening.
If that not good enough for you sorry thats my best at this point in time.

And at the end of the day if you truely understood what is best for each and everyone of us,you might have said it better than i?

If it was`nt directed at me?could you please in future quote a name at least.



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 03:05 AM
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Rudolf Steiner was a very, very advanced Christian Mystic. He was not affiliated with OTO/Golden Dawn etc.

Steiner removed himself from the Theosophates because he felt they misunderstood much and were not able to grasp fully the understanding of the Christ event, aka "The Mystery of Golgotha".

I have the utmost respect for Steiner... not to be even compared to that sicko pedophile Crowley!



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 03:47 AM
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Sexual abuse of children( or anyone for that matter) is sick. Period! Doesn't matter what group or religion you put it under.

BTW The family court of Victoria has been a shambles since the day it was formed, around the mid 70's I think.




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