OIMD v Stumpy : Extra-Terrestrial have visited Earth., page

Now that Stump has told you that there is no evidence regarding UFOs… Let me start to show you the evidence…

The USAF conducted, officially, three programs that looked into UFO sightings. They were called Sign (started after the VERY PUBLIC and REPORTED UFO sightings of the Summer of 1947), Grudge, and Blue Book. Blue Book was started after the officer in charge of Grudge reported, to his commanding general, that he was doing a good job ignoring all the “nuts” who were out there… To which the general responded by saying that his old wingman and best friend had seen a UFO on board a radar-equipped fighter. Suffice it to say, BLUE BOOK, under the direction of the highly regarded Capt. Edward Ruppelt, acted, in its early years, as a thorough project that investigated every sighting of interest.

Below is a link to a paper which summarizes all the BB ‘unknowns’ (though it also includes SIGN/GRUDGE ‘unknowns’ and lost files). This is but the tip of the evidence I will present… though, in itself, it recounts hundreds of sightings which were concluded, by the US Government, to NOT be of natural, man-made or psychological origin. That is, all that you are about to read has been verified as bona fide UFOs:


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It’s a long list, isn’t it? To head-off Stump’s argument about these being covers to trick the Russians, below I’ve listed a few early sightings that involved endangering crews, objects that operated with performances far ahead of anything operating at that time, and generated (in the Washington case) popular unrest that the USAF would not have wanted to generate:


April 1, 1948: A flight of 4 USAF P-47s led by a Lt. Meyers sighted at close range a crescent shaped craft over an island in the Philippines. Upon engagement of pursuit, the craft escaped at a speed estimated to be about 39,000mph.

April 27, 1950: USAF 2nd Lt. James Petty, flying a F-80C over Japan, sighted a long, cream colored rectangular object following his flight leader. Upon approaching the object, which he thought was a loose tow target at first, it responded with evasive maneuvers that nearly resulted in a mid-air collision. The object then escaped from the area at high speed. On the next day, another F-80C (piloted by Lt. James Harvey) was scrambled to intercept an object spotted by radar over Japan. Upon interception, the square craft began to circle the jet fighter. Afterwards it was reported that during contact both craft vanished from radar.

August 31, 1950: Over Alamogordo, New Mexico ground observation stations, recording a V-2 test, witnessed and recorded several unknown objects that appeared to be monitoring the test range. Four F-86s were scrambled to intercept, but the objects retreated upon their approach. Afterwards, they reappeared.

September 21, 1950: Radar tracked an unknown object make a 1500mph close range pass on two F-84s that nearly resulted in a collision.

July 9, 1951: Lt. George Kinman, flying an F-51, reported a white disc dive upon him at high speed. Within seconds it had recovered to its original altitude, from which it proceeded to make several more runs upon his Mustang.

July 22, 1952: F-94 crew sighted visually and on radar a large circular object that spun and emitted a blue light near Boston. In a series of encounters, throughout the evening, fighter and ground radar crews along the East Coast of the USA recorded this and other objects moving over several metropolitan areas, covering an area from Mass. to Penn/NJ. Indeed, the last week of July 1952 saw a number of radar/visual sightings along the East Coast, resulting in several UFO-USAF jet fighter interceptions…. The most famous of which are perhaps the “Washington Sightings” of the 26/27th, wherein dozens, perhaps hundreds, of civilians watched UFOs that passed over the capitol building at high speed and were recorded by civilian and military airport authorities and led to futile chases by (radar equipped) F-94 fighters (then the most advanced aircraft in USAF service).

August 1, 1952: F-86s scrambled to intercept a radar-confirmed UFO took gun camera footage of a round white object at high speed and altitude.

March 5, 1954: Crews of a KC-97 tanker and C-54 transport had to take evasive action to avoid colliding with UFOs during practice takeoffs/landings. A week later, F-86 pilot Lt. Robert Johnson chased a tail-less fighter sized craft near the same airfield (in French Morocco) but was easily outpaced.

June 23, 1954: An F-51, piloted by Capt. Harry Roe, near Columbus, Ohio was chased by a round white object. Evan after taking evasive action, the Mustang was unable to shake the object.

The BLUEBOOK files document navigable devices/machines/vehicles of unearthly performance, which I will next show to be crewed by ETs. Don't dismiss this off hand.

First, if I was to beleive all of your evidence (which I do not) it would only establish the esistence of UFO's. A UFO is an Unidentified Flying Object. Unidentified means it is not an Alien Spacecraft. It simply means we do not know what it was. How can sighting something UNIDENTIFIED be evidence that Aliens have visited earth?

Second, The 'evidence' presented is anecdotal. They accounts are simply stories related by 'eyewitnesses'. There is no physical evidence. Nothing that can be shown to the public. Nothign that can be touched, seen, smelled, or heard, except the anecdotes related by people. There is no corroboration. There is nothing.

What there is evidence of however is the debunking of these UFO sightings. The Roswell myth has been completely debunked inculding every witness and creator of the story. A book written by David E Thomas called Demolishing the Roswell 'Alien' Myth offers a complete dismantling of the most famed 'alien' encounter in history. A synopsis is located at www.skeptictank.org.... This story was created by one man withing the military. It worked in the governments favor, however, so the government was in no hurry to prove it wrong. They were complicit to let the myth snowball, and provide them with a cover for current as well as future research and events that they are not particularly eager to explain to the public. (how convenient that we can blame things on Aliens and the Gov is off the hook)

This Roswell incident, along with the others that OIMD relates to us have simple explanations. In some cases, the pilots were tired, under stress, subjected to extremely strenuous physical conditions. People on the ground often want to see these things. It makes them feel special. Some want to see them so badly that they are completely convinced they in fact have seen them.

The only 'proof' that aliens exist is anectdotal and with scattered 'photographical' evidence. This is NOT physical evidence. Any aline material that doesn't exist on earth found? No. Any Alien life form? No. Again, EVEN if I concede that UFO's have been spotted (which I don't), it would still not prove that Aliens were in them. Only that they were Unidentified.

It’s unfortunate that Stumpy has not taken the time to look at the evidence I have presented… Or to even try to understand what it means… However, he has forced me to delay showing the connection between Extraterrestrials and UFOs by one post, which, perhaps, is his strategy. At any rate, out of respect for the judges, I now have to dismantle his argument before I can move on to more interesting things.

First off, it must be re-emphasized that BLUE BOOK was not a collection of ‘anecdotal’ evidence. It was a program that researched and back-checked every case it became involved with (though at the end it’s efforts were hampered from within the government). What I have given to you, in the last post, is a link to all of the UFO sightings that were identified as ‘unknowns’ or true UFOs by BLUE BOOK/SIGN/GRUDGE over the years. That is, everything in that long (and, again, I hope that you will all take the time to download that PDF file) list was proven to NOT have been caused by natural forces, man-made objects, or psychiatric conditions. All the things mentioned above as explanations, by Stumpy, to be clear, were RULED OUT BY AVIATION EXPERTS.

Also, note how many of these cases, like the Washington sightings, were recorded by radar and observed by multiple, trained witnesses. I hate to break it to Stump, but Radar returns ARE evidence (would he have us throw out all evidence scientists have ever collected through the use of sonar/radar in geological/astronomical/oceanographic studies?). They also involved, often, cases were entire aircrews identified, at close range, aerodynes/vehicles with performances that far outclassed even the best aircraft available at the time. To drive the point home: Vehicles which exceed human engineering capabilities have been observed and recorded by military and civilian experts. As these craft so thoroughly exceed what we can even build today, and as there are no non-human intelligences capable of complex manufacturing on Earth, it is logical to conclude that many of these ‘unknown’ UFOs are of Extraterrestrial manufacture.

…Oh, and BTW, there are numerous instances of UFOs leaving behind chemical traces. A famous example is the Delphos, Kansas landing of 1971, in which a UFO chemically altered the ground it had landed upon (chemical tests were conducted by several accredited universities)*…

Stumpy has also, without providing reasoning, implied that UFOs/Aliens are the work of a US Intelligence program designed to cover up American research. Let me take a second to show some of the many errors in that line of reasoning…

Well, to be frank, using UFOs to cover up classified terrestrial projects would be like if a teenager hid the case of beer in his closet under bags of pot. The bottom line: The cover draws more interest, and problems, than that which is being covered. In the case of UFOs/Aliens, if it were a cover, it didn’t work--- It’s a well-known fact that Soviet spies, in the Cold War, stole many critical nuclear and aerospace secrets (they stole the key knowledge needed to make A and H bombs at the time this ‘cover’ was supposedly operating in the late 40s). They also stole the plans to an actual spaceship! The Soyuz design is based on the 1962 GE proposal for the Apollo program.

So, was this just a red herring campaign that was a huge disaster? Well, for it to even have been conducted, the US military would have needed to construct dozens, if not hundreds, of vehicles capable of rapidly accelerating to tens of thousands of miles per hour that could also hover and make turns at over 20Gs. This simply cannot have occurred because it would require a technological tree/technological paradigm that was TOTALLY separate from all the science known to the world. As scientists/engineers look upon “the shoulders of giants”, such a program would require an entire society of hidden knowledge that was developed on its own.

So, if Stumpy is correct, that means the US developed ultra technologies and displayed them before the world for the sake of hiding them or lesser technologies. To go back to the pot/beer question: If you want to hide your amazing research project, why draw attention to it???

Also, why try to cause WW3?—The famed 1975 SAC F-106 cross-country chases, which involved UFOs that were chased away from missile silos by supersonic jets, is a perfect example of a UFO incident that almost caused ‘all hell’ to break loose (I’ll write more about this later).

Finally, the entire UFO/alien issue has turned segments of the population against the US government. What benefit does that have?

In my next post, I will conclusively link UFOs with Extraterrestrials. For now, I leave you with a photo from the 1952 Washington sightings:






*(Phillips,1971,2003)

I’m saddened to see that Stump is still not taking the time to read my arguments and evidence closely… Though, like I said before, this is probably just a stonewalling tactic he hopes a few judges might get distracted by. The problem with such a tactic, though, is that it really just amounts to plugging fingers in your ears, closing your eyes, and saying, “I can’t hear you.” His constant references to ‘anecdotal’ evidence are also annoying… according to his misusage of the word the planet Jupiter also does not exist, as there is no ‘chunk’ of it in the Smithsonian. (though, like the various UFOs that crisscrossed Washington DC on July 26, 1952, it’s been observed by eye, photographed and examined by radar).

But let’s go back and re-examine the evidence I have already presented in regards to the Washington sightings…

1)Despite Stump’s claim that UFOs don’t exist because they’ve never been covered by the media as a breaking story, the July 27th issue of the Washington Times presented an entire front page dedicated to the sightings of the night before, including stories which quote USAF pilots describing the craft that they intercepted.

2)The craft were witnessed by hundreds (perhaps thousands) of people on the ground.

3)The craft were photographed by multiple witnesses. I chose to use the picture I did in the last post because it showed the craft over the capitol. There are other, closer shots available out there.

4)The craft were recorded by air and ground-based radar. RADAR IS A SCIENTIFICALLY ACCEPTED FORM OF MEASUREMENT.

5)The craft were witnessed at close range by various fighter pilots scrambling from multiple bases across the eastern USA.

Stump claims that this just proves that bona fide UFOs do exist. Ok, so, rather than just doing nothing and denying evidence for multiple replies, it’s time, now, for Stump to PROVE how these are classified military aircraft. He claims that he does not have to do anything, as this is my argument to make (do to which he can take advantage of the debate’s one link per post structure), but, as I have, through use of BLUEBOOK evidence, demonstrated that UFOs are physical craft exhibiting performance capabilities FAR beyond anything that currently exists on Earth, I have already shown that such UFOs can ONLY be of extraterrestrial origin. Now is the time for Stump to do some work, he must, in order to prove me wrong:

1)Provide evidence of a secret government project
2)Provide evidence regarding whatever technology allows craft in this project to perform maneuvers FAR more advanced than anything aircraft can do. Though I do not have to show how ET craft actually work, only that they exist, Stumpy MUST show how these marvelous human-built craft work, as, otherwise, his argument amounts to a “it just is so” line.
3)Provide evidence of the industrial and research infrastructure that built these craft (in 1952, it took thousands of people to build a single F-94… and thousands more to do the collective research that produced such vehicles). Are we to believe that a few guys, in total secret, designed and built a fleet of craft that can run circles around today’s space shuttles?
4)Explain why the military would endanger its own aircrews by having their secret craft nearly ram their point defense interceptors.
5)Explain why the military would overrun its own defense network around places like Washington DC at a time when Soviet attacks were a daily fear.
6)Explain why, inorder to hide these secret craft, the military had them fly up and down the east coast one night in a manner which drew public attention.

If he can do that, then he will have rebutted my argument that these craft can only be of extraterrestrial origin. Otherwise, as these craft DO exist and had their presence RECORDED, being that there are no non-human technological intelligences on Earth, and that no human organization can construct (even remotely) craft like these, one must logically conclude that a non-human intelligence built them, and, the last time I checked, dolphins and monkeys do not know how to fly.

So, though, barring an actual argument from Stumpy, I’ve already shown that craft of ET origin are visiting the Earth, I’d like to now present reports of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, wherein people have seen ETs emerge from craft like those I’ve already introduced you to.

Jacques Vallee began compiling these ‘Magonia’ files decades ago(NOTE: ‘greys’ were called ‘dwarfs’ before about 1980). Results for ‘Being’ query from overall catalogue:

www.temporaldoorway.com...


They record hundreds of first-hand encounters between humans and aliens. I’ll admit that these are personal testimonies and do not have things like radar evidence to back them up… But there are thousands of them, testified to by people from all walks of life.