No mudpit if you read the persecutions endured during the Caliphates. It's not Politcally correct but it happened whether you like it or not.

The only person who has posted anything meaningful is maximus. Its funny how some mention inventions thousands of years ago, and since then???? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

And, those inventions you posted are also incorrect!

As far as algebra, a quick search on google.....

It is pretty clear
that the Persians got some of these ideas from earlier work of the Babylonians,
Egyptians, Chinese, Hindus.......

And then again, developed from the Greeks


Train

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[edit on 31-1-2006 by BigTrain]

Originally posted by Nakash
No mudpit if you read the persecutions endured during the Caliphates. It's not Politcally correct but it happened whether you like it or not.

Your right.. nothing "politically incorrect" about some of the recent posts..

As a matter of fact White people did pretty much invent everything that makes a difference in this world.

they don't want israel whiped off the map, they want the land that they were forced off of back!

honestly, you're the ignorant one.

Everywhere you have Muslims, you have problems.

you spouting the same old xenophobic bigotry. You are like a cross between the Energizer Bunny and Hitler.

The Palestineans just proved to the world that their a buncha blood-thirsty monsters Hellbent on killing every Jew in Isreal.

That makes them a legitimate target for air-strikes with FAE's if another suicide bombing campaign begins and I would not shed ONE FREAKING TEAR if the Palestineans were blown away.

God Help them when they wake up the real America and see what Bastards we can really be when angered.

A classic example of the Eurocentrism that dominates the American educational system.

Our chimp-faced "leader" has been babbling on and on about promoting democracy.

Are any Automobiles made in any Islamic countries?
Are any Jets produced by Islamic countries?
Are any TOASTERS produced by Islamic countries?
Are any life-saving drugs or anti-biotics created in any Islamic countries?

just Suicide Bombers, Death, Hatred and Destruction...

Typical Response from an Isreali-Propaganda Brainwashed Indiviudal...

If that means turning some Middle-east countries into a smoking hole....than so be it.

.their still back in the 13th century while the rest of the world rocketed ahead into the 21st century.

Look, man, no one cares about historical facts here.

Nope, no ignorance here.

I have to say though, most of the ignorance is coming from a very small group of people that regularly hijack these type of threads. Here's for apathy!



Edit:

I HAVE to add one more..

The only person who has posted anything meaningful is maximus

HAHAHAHAHAH Thanks for that man.. that was just classic.

Anyhow, time to place this pile of crap into my "another thread ruined" pile..

later gents!

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Originally posted by BigTrain
The only person who has posted anything meaningful is maximus. Its funny how some mention inventions thousands of years ago, and since then???? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

And, those inventions you posted are also incorrect!

As far as algebra, a quick search on google.....

It is pretty clear
that the Persians got some of these ideas from earlier work of the Babylonians,
Egyptians, Chinese, Hindus.......

And then again, developed from the Greeks


Train

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[edit on 31-1-2006 by BigTrain]

so without the current numerical system, the preservation of ancient texts during the dark ages, the telescope, the watch, and the pendulum, the european world would have been fine?

why do inventions only matter if they're attributed western christian whites?

Lets try to stay on topic please

It is threads like this that create racism to be honest. The throwing around of terms such as "Muslims", "Christians", "Jews", and "Whites" in a way that brings out all kind of hidden meanings and ideas pertaining to those groups is literally racism. How did a topic about the Palestinians and the new Hamas government turn into a bunch of racist mudslinging? I for one would like to escape the racism manner in which all things are being discussed.

In my thoughts and ideas about the issue of Hamas coming to power there are basically several options of what may occur in the next year or two. We are already seeing the fruits of the possible results. We have seen that aid will be denied to the Palestinians if Hamas continues to promote violence and destruction of Israel. Israel has stated that they are going to take the "no diplomacy" and "wait and see what happens" approach to the situation. So, what are the possibilites?
1. Hamas recants their violence towards Israel and aid flows back into the Palestinians and the peace process begins to try to continue while Israel still holds onto its "wait and see what happens" approach. The peace process won't proceed rapidly but it will actually have a chance.
2. Hamas doesn't recant and they also don't really act on any of their statements. This would result in no aid for the Palestinians, and it would also keep Israel in its "wait and see what happens" approach.
3. Hamas acts on it's desire to destroy israel and either takes steps to forming a Palestinian army or continues in its reign of terror attacks. The question here is if Israel will act decisivly. With Israel's past history I think it is safe to assume that Israel would go all out because they definately don't take much from anyone when it comes to their territory and attacks on their nation.

We can bicker and complain about who is right in the situation and who has entitlement to the land, but the fact is that Israel has ownership and has a very decisive force holding onto that ownership. It doesn't matter if it's unfair to the Palestinians because of the force that Israel presents. That's the bottom line. There is another bottom line. The other bottom line is that Israel has the support of the West. The majority of the West views Hamas as a "terrorist organization" so they will protect Israel if Hamas (now recognized as a government by the world scene) makes any moves towards their goal of wiping Israel off the face of the map.

I know horrible things happen on both sides. Israel has done horrible things to the Palestinians and protesters as seen in the video earlier in this thread. Hamas has also done horrible things to Israel through terrorism. One needs to begin to look at things objectively and with a grain of salt. I guess taking sides is what people do best but please try to look at things from the perspective that both might be wrong or both might be right. Getting into arguments about racism and if it's the Jews, Christians, or Muslims fault simply create more hate. It simply creates more racism and fanaticism in our society. Tone it down and move the ideas forward with some kind words and plausible ideas.

maybe a more assertive party with more extremist views can help. there may be no other way. when the majority of the wealthy nations of the world are behind israel, maybe someone that can shake things up is needed for palestine.

israel has to be more giving as well. they forced the palestinians off their land, but offer minimal concessions in any peace agreements. the simple fact is that the israelis need to realize how they've wronged the nation of palestine, and maybe hamas can do it.

Originally posted by Tommio

yes, what do you think is going to happen if someone tries to whipe israel off the map?

1. I believe that Israel will be SOMEWHAT seriously self-protective even to using nukes if needed.

2. I believe that the USA must fail as Israel's protector because God Almighty is determined to be Israel's only Protector and Savior.

3. I believe that Israel must be scared within a hair's breadth of it's existence to return to the faithful worship of God Almighty and the further playing out of the end-times drama as predicted.

4. I believe that there will always be an Israel and that all who try to obliterate her will be obliterated.

I don't think Palestinians killed themselves by electing Hamas as a winner in their free parlamentarian elections. After a long time of occupation and lawlessnes they are trieing to put togather some sort of goverment. If their decission proves to be wrong in the future, so be it. After all every nation in this world deserves a government they have.

The outcry of the western goverments and Israel is understandable. Palestinians and Hamas beat them in their own game. Freedom and democracy is no.1 export of western societies. And Palestinians have spoken. Vox populi.

So when we are not happy about how this election have turned up we just act like little children and say we are not going to support new Palestinian government because it is lead by a group of terrorists. How narrowminded is that. You know, the Russian federation does not recognise Hamas as a terrorist group or organisation. Of course they do not agree with some of the actions of this group, but they are not on their terrorist list.

Originally posted by BO XIAN

Originally posted by Tommio

yes, what do you think is going to happen if someone tries to whipe israel off the map?

1. I believe that Israel will be SOMEWHAT seriously self-protective even to using nukes if needed.

2. I believe that the USA must fail as Israel's protector because God Almighty is determined to be Israel's only Protector and Savior.

3. I believe that Israel must be scared within a hair's breadth of it's existence to return to the faithful worship of God Almighty and the further playing out of the end-times drama as predicted.

4. I believe that there will always be an Israel and that all who try to obliterate her will be obliterated.

um...

what does this have to do with Hamas?

also, if you're counting both historic and modern israel, which i assume you are, israel has a horrible record in war.

israel didn't actually exist for a good long stretch, so it won't always exist, hell, it wouldn't exist now if jews didn't perform terrorist attacks on the british.

the current israel has no high ground morally, neither does palastine.

if israel does nuke anyone, the government will be dissolved by the international community, and if it doesn't allow itself to be dissolved will be nuked into oblivion.

another thing, i just want to point this out.

over 50% of israelis don't believe that palestine has any right to exist (not giving anything more specific because i can't find the specific source).

the land that israel WOULD give palestine would actually be less than it has at this moment.

israel also refuses to force the "settlers" (read, invaders) off of palestinian land.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

they aren't terrorists

That is interesting.

Do you have any idea, why HAMAS are listed as TERROR organisation in the U.S. and in the EU?

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

over 50% of israelis don't believe that palestine has any right to exist (not giving anything more specific because i can't find the specific source).

Of course you cannot find a source for your claim for very good reasons: such a source does not exist.

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Originally posted by Riwka
Do you have any idea, why HAMAS are listed as TERROR organisation in the U.S. and in the EU?
[edit on 1-2-2006 by Riwka]

Do you have any idea why HAMAS (your caps) are not listed as a terror organisation in many other countries in the world? The IRA were also a terror organisation but people didn't have much problem funding them. When they finally joined the political process, progress was made, who is to say the same cannot happen in Palestine with Hamas?

Irregardless of whether you wish to call them terrorists or freedom fighters, HAMAS represents a vocal but vanquished foe....

Now in this vein would we give in to the ancestors of those that killed Custer and give back the dakotas?

I submit to you that not only wouldn't we but we'd bribe them with the abillity to essentially host otherwise prohibitted in that region industries in their nominal but claimed by us territory, IE fireworks, casinos, tax free tobacco. ..... oh wait we already do that.

Irregardless of any american or china man's feeling on Israeli politics, our own compulsion to keep our dutifully paid for property from reverting to someone elses control at no cost should keep us from any sort of support for the palestinians. If you don't like it.... TOUGH.

For those who are irretrievably dense or so liberal they'd rather see a squirrel eat than them. Here's another analogy.

When a squalling 3 year old you just took an instrument of death from throws a tantrum, do you relent and give it back?

This relates in a very serious way, if we by dint of some sort of guilt reverse balfour and exile people who have taken this territory and made it theirs even defending it with their blood.... (yes I really don't care they took more... since when do we fault the winner of a war?) where does it stop? Do we reverse the gains napoleon made and give all of that back to the french? Do we give Rome back their land? (their highwater mark being pretty close to everywhere but china and the americas)

How far back in history do we go and how do we decide which of the conflicting so called claims to a square mile of land is valid?



If you can answer those questions more power to you... but I submit to you... not only could you never sort it out, but no one would be happy even if you did come up with a solution.

Originally posted by Chris McGee
Do you have any idea why HAMAS (your caps) are not listed as a terror organisation in many other countries in the world? The IRA were also a terror organisation but people didn't have much problem funding them. When they finally joined the political process, progress was made, who is to say the same cannot happen in Palestine with Hamas?

You gonna play this "IRA" card Chris?

Lets be straight here, nothing the IRA ever did comes even remotley close to the brutality of HAMAS's operations against the Jews...... Ive never seen the IRA send a suicide bomber into a crowded public place packed full of women and children.

So, lets try a different example shall we? Theres a world of difference between the two and I just don't have hope anymore for the Palestineans....the Fatah faction is no different than HAMAS, their all cut from the same cloth and they won't change their stripes because we ask them to.

Their born Murderers, Liars and Theives....thats all they have shown to the world.

Maximu§



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The atmosphere here resultant from the Hamas ruling party is as though Isreal is currently in deep trouble. That is not the case. When the settlers were removed from their homes, by the Israeli government I might add, burned those settlements. They were not grass huts by no means, they had schools, community swimming pools, infrastructure like telephones, electricity, etc. Do you think the Israeli government left ALL that intact? If you do, your silly. It is going to be awhile. And it is going to be another I told you so, but give it about another ten years and Palistine and Isreal will be joined. Not for military reasons but economics. See Palistine will have to depend on goods from Isreal. Now Isreal will profit, How? Through Western capitalistic policy, just like the Chineese just recently have done since the fall of Hong Kong. When Palistine gets strong enought and has the trust of Isreal, they will turn on Isreal.

The reason why? Because Isreal took the weapons of Lucifer, nuclear weapons, from whom I might add? The United States of America!. Oh, by the way, that is another reason why Palistine will not attack Isreal right now because they will be nuked. Hope this gives some insight. No URL's but just common sense. Cordially, Ravenmock1

Originally posted by Ravenmock1


The reason why? Because Isreal took the weapons of Lucifer, nuclear weapons, from whom I might add? The United States of America!. Oh, by the way, that is another reason why Palistine will not attack Isreal right now because they will be nuked. Hope this gives some insight. No URL's but just common sense. Cordially, Ravenmock1

As far as I understand it, wasn't it the French that gave Israel nukes? More Anti-America propaganda

TO be blatantly honest if Israel doesn't take the chance to slap the palestinians while a default by ruling government state of war exists... I'll lose alot of respect for them



ooooh and btw dasoopa don't forget south africa... they helped or collaborated however you wanna call it....

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