Any link to back up the statement?

I will say here as i said in the ATSNN thread about this. Bush wanted to spread democracy through-out the middle east, this is what you get. Have i not been hearing constantly about how america is so proud how other middle eastern nations are now taking up democracy. Although now im sure they will now be happy with this latest resolve. Bad luck i say, democracy is not perfect dont be pissy when it gives you the bad end of the stick.

[edit on 073131p://upThursday by wang]

Just go to CNN.com it is the main headline.

The Palestinians have now freely elected a terrorist 'government'.
Hamas .. who sucks all donation $$ away from educaton and
health care for it's people ... who vows to destroy Israel ....

I can't believe that the Palestinians who voted for Hamas were
unaware of the death and violence that Hamas means for them
and for everyone else in that part of the world.

This is disgusting.

And now if Hamas does anything against Israel, which it will do
because it has sworn to, then what rains down upon the heads
of the Palestinians are their own fault for putting Hamas officially
in charge.

ugh.

Originally posted by BigTrain

Hamas has won the majority vote in palestine.

Isreal will be attacked soon and if the world doesnt fully stand by Isreal, we will see Isreal whipped off the map...

Train

Apologies for this but...

...why should we stand by Israel....she has made her bed, now let her lie in it!
I think the world should listen to the people...the people have voted, Hamas have won. Israel should accept this, and begin dialogue with Hamas, the new ELECTED leaders of the Palestinian people.

A world without Israel....would it really be that bad???

Originally posted by celticniall
begin dialogue with Hamas,

There is no dialogue with Hamas. They have firmly
stated that the reason they exist is to wipe Israel
off the map.

A world without Israel....would it really be that bad???

Isreal exists. It has a right to exist. There are dozens of
muslim 'homelands'. There is only one tiny jewish 'homeland'
and they have a right to it.

If you advocate being rid of Israel to make the world a
better place, then you are blaming the victim and empowering
the bullies ... bullies who will go after all the rest of us 'infidels'
next.

Fatah was a terrorist organization also, don't forget. Hamas probably won't 'normalize' like Fatah and the PLO though. But arafat was an arch-terrorist too.


The yehudis are now in a situation where they won't even contact the Palestinian Government, which is quite odd.

Also, does this mean that Palestine and Isreal are now back at War with one another?

I mean, after all, Hamas itself is openly at war with Israel. Can't Israel now use its army in an unrestrained manner in the palestinian territories? I mean, war is war, no?

Originally posted by celticniall


A world without Israel....would it really be that bad???

yes, what do you think is going to happen if someone tries to whipe israel off the map? when someone is cornered do you not think they will do anything they can to get out of it? last i heard israel had nuclear weapons....

THAT Nygdan is exactly right. So much for the peace process.

Hamas IS at war with Israel. Israel does have a right to
defend itself from the OFFICIAL government of the Palestinians.
Also - considering that something like 76% of the palestinians
voted and a very high majority voted for Hamas ... it looks like
almost all of the Palestinians support the war against Israel
which makes them supporters of terrorists.

So much for the 'good will' of giving up the land to the
Palestinians, eh? Now it's just a launching point for Hamas
to try to destroy Israel.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

There is no dialogue with Hamas. They have firmly
stated that the reason they exist is to wipe Israel
off the map.

Ever ask yourself why this is? Why does Israel exist? Why does the US exist? We could go on all day. It is not the fact that they exist. It is what the people in charge want that is important, ie. GWB wants war for oil. HAMAS wants part of its homeland back, Israel has so many agendas it's hard to keep up.

Isreal exists. It has a right to exist.

Just like Iraq had a right to exist without interference, just like Afghanistan had a right to exist without interference, just like any other country in the world.....

If you advocate being rid of Israel to make the world a
better place, then you are blaming the victim and empowering
the bullies ... bullies who will go after all the rest of us 'infidels'
next.

I am tired of this argument. Iraq was not a threat, neither was Afghanistan, neither is Iran nor is Syria. The sooner you see that the only people who want rid of these nations is ISRAEL and the UNITED STATES.
The only bullies in the world are the US, Israel and UK.

I had to laugh when you called Israel the "victim"

Originally posted by celticniall

Apologies for this but...

...why should we stand by Israel....she has made her bed, now let her lie in it!
I think the world should listen to the people...the people have voted, Hamas have won. Israel should accept this, and begin dialogue with Hamas, the new ELECTED leaders of the Palestinian people.

A world without Israel....would it really be that bad???

I think that anything you have to apologize in advance for probably shouldn't be said.

Apology not accepted.

You know Ireland generated a lot of hatred and death not so long ago. What if back then people who "thought" like you decided it would just be better to wipe that troublesome little island clean?

Isn't Israel backed up by the States tho?

Plus Israel has nuclear capabilities so it would be silly to go for them.

Ouch thats bad news for Israel and could be bad news for peace

Could make for some interesting times. If HAMAS attacks Israel or the other way around like they have done in the past is it now a act of war since they are both ruling parties?

I dont really fear any of the Middle East countries actually wiping Israel off the map since Israel has the power to bring most of the Middle East down with her. Im more concerned with terrorist style groups like Hamas then any nation in the area.

[edit on 26-1-2006 by ShadowXIX]

Originally posted by centurion1211
You know Ireland generated a lot of hatred and death not so long ago. What if back then people who "thought" like you decided it would just be better to wipe that troublesome little island clean?

Ireland is composed of people with similar ethnic ties.
Israel is about as diverse as they come.

But, anyway, yes, Bush supports democracy when it's what he wants it to be, which is why he is declining to speak to Hamas. Democracy was never hailed as perfect.

[edit on 26-1-2006 by Jamuhn]

Originally posted by celticniall

I am tired of this argument. Iraq was not a threat, neither was Afghanistan, neither is Iran nor is Syria. The sooner you see that the only people who want rid of these nations is ISRAEL and the UNITED STATES.
The only bullies in the world are the US, Israel and UK.

I had to laugh when you called Israel the "victim"

You must listen to alot of Air America.

Last time I checked, Hamas was strapping bombs to their chests and walking into buses, schools and restaurants.

Train

Isn't Hamas controlled by Syria? Won't this make the Palestinians less "self governed"?

I am curious how the US will respond to this. They say the Fatah party has not yet stepped down fully (are they in opposition or working with Hamas) but President Abbas is planning a big speech tonight.

Would this be the same as if Al Qaeda won control of Iraq through free elections?

I seriously can't see anything good coming from this.

Originally posted by celticniall

If you advocate being rid of Israel to make the world a
better place, then you are blaming the victim and empowering
the bullies ... bullies who will go after all the rest of us 'infidels'
next.

I am tired of this argument. Iraq was not a threat, neither was Afghanistan, neither is Iran nor is Syria.
I had to laugh when you called Israel the "victim"

Of course you are tired of this argument, since it refutes your entire "thinking" process.

It takes a sick "mind" to laugh at victims.

So what happens to the hundreds of millions per year in funding that the PNA receives?

About 10 million euro per month comes from the EU so will they put and end to that now that Hamas is part of the PNA?