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Originally posted by Daedalus3
I perceive that you are taking the discussion to a nuclear perspective. Russia may consider 'conventional' whatever it likes, but my pessimistic opinion of its use of such weapons remains.
IMHO everything is not ICBMs(I doubt Russia would need to use those against China anyways;IRBMs would suffice) and nukes and biochem warfare; even if we're talking about Russia.
as for battle readiness and training; I've learnt that such distinctions are only evident beforehand in microscpic spec ops like scenarios. I prefer to refrain from making such comparisions anymore.
For e.g: I genuinely feel from my personal experience, that Soviet flight combat tactics and engagement are quite lifeless and predictable.
Western(US,British and French) flight combat tactics IMHO are far more innovative and effective. I speak of this from a very local perspective as well.
Over the last few decades our CAW(and other institutions) have built a new flight combat doctrine after examining these 'shortcomings'.
This is pivotal I believe in the out-of-ordinary performance shown by IAF
pilots using Russian jets against western flight combat tactics, as compared to the performance of Russian jets (in the hands of other 3rd party operators) against western tactics.
Now I don't know what regime the Chinese pilots train but my point is:All this is again perspective in the end. Not worth talking about IMO.
As for the microscopic differences between chinese and russian policies:Well I could list them, true, but I doubt that would get us anywhere.
Lets just say that the best at actively observing these differences would be countries that have vested interests in this Sino-Russian 'partnership' ( And the US/west is not one of those countries ).
Secondly I do not believe that China is a client state of Russia. I'm not sure if you could prove it otherwise as well, but I'm willing to listen
I am certain that China does not view itself as the same.
As for the Ussuri River Conflict:
Well, the Soviets never let it get out-of-hand due to other global commitments such as czechslovakia and the initiation of SALT.
However the chinese offensive had a far-reaching ideological accusation on the Soviets:
The Soviet form of communism is inherently flawed and thus they are unfit to hold the leadership of this position.Our(Chinese) communism is supreme and we(chinese) consider ourselves to be the new bearers of this torch
Such an accusation coupled with knowledge of chinese human-waving warfare in the not so distant Korean War, made the soviets seriously consider the tactical nuclear option if the skirmish inflammed into a war.
This assurance was extended to the Indian allies during the fag-end of the 1971 Bangladesh war. The evident,synchronised and overt actions of the Kissingerated-US and China in support of Pakistan against India had forced the Soviets to :
- send a nuclear-capable naval fleet in order neutralise any misadventures by the 7th CSG
- Deploy forward positions at the chinese border to prevent the chinese from massing at the Indian border.
Both gestures were 'nuke-driven' in order to ensure that the conflict between India and Pakistan remained just that; one between India and Pakistan.
Anyways, Lets leave all this aside Stellar.
I have certain opinions about the Sino-chinese relationship and yes, they maybe driven from a lot of homegrown info; but tend to agree with this info for the most part. Explaining it might be difficult
Soviet Flight Combat Tactics in general
InAF experience with both western and Soviet air combat doctrines. As such why they have chosen a meld and not VVS/PVO regimes.
Originally posted by Daedalus3
StellarX, could you do me a favour, I've been real busy off late so digging up info on this online might not be something that I maybe able to do soon enough.
Originally posted by Devastator7
Russian Boy, he said himself he wasn't being nationalistic but factual. Which is fair to say because the PAK-FA and the Su-47 are both (in my opinion) disinfo from Putin about what he has and is developing. The F-22 has demolished the simulated Su-37's during tests.