9/11: A Boeing 757 *DID NOT* Strike the Pentagon, page 8
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reply posted on 27-1-2006 @ 01:35 AM by AgentSmith
Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
do you know anything about high tech covert military explosives?

didn't think so.

none of us do hence the word covert.


Why not? There are a number of professional people here, some of which hold a great deal of responsibility and have years of experience in all kinds of areas.

Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
thermite is a reaction.

it just needs the necessary elements.

i believe the final element is steam.




For someone that believes in all of this so much, you don't even seem to have researched the basics!


re·search ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-sûrch, rsûrch)
n.
1. Scholarly or scientific investigation or inquiry. See Synonyms at inquiry.
2. Close, careful study.
dictionary.reference.com...


I guess that's why some people drag along up the rear while places like ATS charge ahead.

You do realise that research is key to proving anything and key to keeping any credability one may have?
Or don't you need to waste time on pesky research when you've already made up your mind to what the truth is.
Perhaps you just take your shepherds word for it, ignorant to any possibility they may have ulterior motives, after all these people are our saviours..
Considering you are supposed to be part of a group of people that claim to be enlightened and free, while throwing around claims of dis-info and names such as 'sheep' or 'shill' - you appear to fall well within these descriptions yourself.

You blindly follow whoever writes up what looks like a convincing piece (as long as it isn't written by official scum), much like a sheep.

You shout the good word written by people with motives unknown, without even understanding the very basics. Isn't this dangerous? How do you know it's true? Maybe it doesn't matter because you like the idea and you just want to promote it - sounds similar to shillery to me.

You therefore spread innaccurate or incorrect information - or disinformation perhaps..

Perhaps you shoud spend more time on reading and learning this subject you feel so, so strongly about..

[edit on 27-1-2006 by AgentSmith]



reply posted on 27-1-2006 @ 09:33 AM by Lyte Trizzle
Originally posted by Zaphod58
Ok, you wanna get back on topic? Let's see some logical arguments WITH EVIDENCE to debunk what was posted back on page two about the landing gear for the different planes, and all that. NOT your typical "Because I say so" answers. Let's see some FACTS. You do know what those are right?



i don't remember posting anything about the landing gear.

i believe it was probably planted.

While we agree that the wheel rim from the Pentagon appears to be the same as that of a Boeing 757, does this mean that it comes from a 757? Do other types of aircraft use double rims such as those pictured above? We need to look at the "wheel rim" evidence firstly in the context of there being a massive government conspiracy on 9/11 and secondly in context of the other massive evidence that points to something else having hit the Pentagon. Taking these facts into consideration and the evidence for a general 9/11 government conspiracy, is it not plausible that the conspirators would have taken the precaution to plant evidence at the scene to cover up the truth of their activities? Could this planting of evidence not include a "damaged" wheel rim from a 757 landing gear? In the final analysis, the only people qualified to make any definitive statement on the "wheel rim" evidence at the Pentagon are those people whose jobs involve designing or maintaining Boeing 757 landing gear and/or those people whose jobs involve the design or maintenance of Global Hawk landing gear.

Keep in mind that there are very few available photos of aircraft debris inside the Pentagon: a wheel rim and a landing gear strut, and an engine combustion chamber. The wheel rim was in the non-renovated Wedge 2 by the AE drive hole. And despite the assertions of the author of the ATS post, without expert analysis, no one can say that the few recognizable airplane parts are unequivocally from a 757.


[edit on 27-1-2006 by Lyte Trizzle]


reply posted on 27-1-2006 @ 01:21 PM by Grimm
Originally posted by Lyte Trizzle
did any of you guys even READ the rebuttal to catherder?

Yes.

If you'd like, to make it more simple, you could respond to each of this points in a separate post.

Item One
The article by Joe Quinn, and the follow-up drama inspired my emergence from a long silence with this post -->
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Item Two
And I referenced Joe Quinn's piece in this response within the taxi thread -->
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Then, since you seem to be presenting yourself as an advocate of Joe Quinn, if you don't mind, I have some specific questions about his article. It would be better if Joe were here to respond, but I assume you won't mind doing so in his stead.


Item Three
In his intro, he writes -->
The purpose of this small introduction is to prepare the reader for the fact that, in his attempted rebuttal of the no 757 at the Pentagon theory, the ATS article author, CatHerder, appears to have succumbed to the influence of the mainstream media shills that have incessantly parroted the official government story about what happened on 9/11 for the three years prior to the writing of the article.

Why must he assume such an unprofessional tone when attempting to deliver an analysis of a popular contra-conspiracy article? Is he/you not aware that credibility is first gauged by apparent professionalism? Could you please help me understand why this tone is adopted? Thanks.


Item Four
Further in his "blue text" additions to the CatHerder article -->
The above nonsensical argument would have you believe that the only thing to consider is a "13 ft wide cylinder" that just magically lost everything else, or that everything else just "folded up" and flew inside the building plastered to the side of that 13 ft cylinder

Can you show us where there was a claim that everything "folded up and flew inside the building?" In these discussions here, I've seen lots of photographs and analysis of debris on the lawn that is indicative of pieces from a possible passenger airline.


Item Five
Again, in his "blue text" additions, he provides this commentary -->
Conclusion? The tail fin of a Boeing 757 did not strike this area.
What does that suggest? That a Boeing 757 was not involved in the attack.
Is that logical enough?

Can you explain in what way this conclusion was arrived? It's certainly logical to assume that, the tail section being at the rear, inertia and kinetic energy of impact was much different than at the nose. If we suppose that a passenger airline struck the building, the tail section would have impacted with much less energy than the nose that supposedly created the initial hole. So a smaller-"softer"-lighter tail section would certainly create less damage than the nose.


Item Six
Also in the blue text, a subject touched upon in this thread -->
What is more, evidence from photos of the site show cable spools that were clearly untouched by any incoming aircraft, suggesting that the aircraft would have to have been flying above the maximum height of the spools (some 6 feet) when it hit the Pentagon.

He seems very sure of himself in saying, the spools were "clearly untouched". Could you please post the "before" pictures he used in his research that allowed him to come to such an assured statement?


There is much more, but I think this will give us an excellent starting point in getting back to Joe Quinn's article. Thanks in advance for helping to analyze these points.

G.
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