It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Plan Seeks More US Elite Forces to counter Terrorism

page: 1
0
<<   2 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 05:51 AM
link   

Washington Post

A top-level Pentagon review of defense strategy calls for bolstering the U.S. military with thousands more elite troops skilled in fighting terrorists and insurgents and partnering with foreign forces - as part of a decades-long plan to expand efforts to thwart terrorists worldwide, according to U.S. officials and military analysts familiar with the review.

The increase would bring the ranks of Special Operations Forces - which include covert Delta Force operatives, Rangers, Navy SEALs and Army Special Forces - to their highest levels since the Vietnam War while adding billions to the budget of the 52,000-strong U.S. Special Operations Command, based in Tampa, over the next five years, said the officials and analysts, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the final document has not been released.

One of the largest gains would be in Army Special Forces, or Green Berets, soldiers trained in languages and navigating foreign cultures who work with indigenous forces and operate in 12-man "A-teams." Special Forces would expand by one-third - from 15 to 20 active-duty battalions - creating about 90 more A-teams to deploy to regions considered vulnerable to terrorist or extremist influences, the officials and analysts said. Currently, the bulk of Special Forces teams are rotating into Iraq and Afghanistan.

"This will be the largest increase in the number of SOF since the Vietnam War," said Michael Vickers, director of strategic studies at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington, who has been involved in the QDR and was a member of a team of experts probing U.S. weaknesses.

Well, let's remember, that War in Iraq is NOT another Vietnam and that War on Terrorism is going GREAT, and that's why the US military forces need this Largest Increase in number of Special Forces since the Vietnam War.

Ofcourse it has nothing to do with similarities with Vietnam War - it is just a Coincidence.

More Special Forces = More Black Ops or False Flag operations.




posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 04:18 PM
link   
Really...you need to learn more about what special forces are designed for in this current war that is spread around the world. Do you even know what special forces are built for? Do you know the type of enemy we are even fighting?

[edit on 25-1-2006 by deltaboy]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 04:31 PM
link   

Originally posted by Souljah
More Special Forces = More Black Ops or False Flag operations.

False flag ops huh, would these be the 2 british soldiers working for a RECON unit of the british army?



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 04:39 PM
link   
Though I disagree with this war I see this as a positive move. More SF means less action using munitions, which means less colateral damage. I would have thought you would be all for that Souljah? Less innocent people dying? Is that not the case or is this just another day, with another bash the west thread?

*wonders if any of those SF troops will come from Slovenia*




posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 04:28 PM
link   
Wow Souljah. 24 hours and no reply? Do you just post stuff and when painted into a corner walk away from your own thread?

So what do you think about less collateral damage, a good idea, no?



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 04:39 PM
link   
I agree intrepid, more special forces means less bombs, which in turn of course means less material for Souljah to create "the U.S. is killing innocent people" threads, so my guess would be he is not happy about this development. I wonder what steps the terrorists are taking to minimize the death of innocents...



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 05:13 PM
link   
I though the Bush administration was already planning for a new special forces to work separately from the Military and they were to wear uniforms but not military ones.

Something that a friend of my husband said after coming from Iraq was that is so many special groups and mercs working for the US in Iraq that it was difficult sometimes to distinguish them and in some cases they exchange fire because they would not identified themselves, so active military would no take risk when it comes to who is who specialy at night.

I think that all kinds of civilian or special forces groups create a confusion in the fields when is not direct communication between the active duty troops and them.



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 06:14 PM
link   

Originally posted by marg6043
I though the Bush administration was already planning for a new special forces to work separately from the Military and they were to wear uniforms but not military ones.


Huh..?


Something that a friend of my husband said after coming from Iraq was that is so many special groups and mercs working for the US in Iraq that it was difficult sometimes to distinguish them and in some cases they exchange fire because they would not identified themselves, so active military would no take risk when it comes to who is who specialy at night.

I think that all kinds of civilian or special forces groups create a confusion in the fields when is not direct communication between the active duty troops and them.


Of course there would be confusion for the contractors who wear civilian clothing. However, they don't go out hunting for terrorists or insurgents, their job is security. Also, they distinguish themselves by not dressing like the conventional forces, all uniforms and stuff. For they are not part of the military.



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 06:21 PM
link   

Originally posted by deltaboy

Huh..?


I believe it was a bill in congress for this but perhaps it could be the same thing.



Of course there would be confusion for the contractors who wear civilian clothing. However, they don't go out hunting for terrorists or insurgents, their job is security.


Actually is more to this but I rather do not elaborate, I will say that is a reason why the active troops call them Mercs.

I leave it to your imagination.



posted on Jan, 27 2006 @ 03:45 AM
link   

Originally posted by intrepid
Wow Souljah. 24 hours and no reply? Do you just post stuff and when painted into a corner walk away from your own thread?

So what do you think about less collateral damage, a good idea, no?

Sorry Mate - wasn't trying to Avoind anything here, I just missed this Thread among the Pile of others!


Well, maybe the US Military has started to use the Door-to-Door approach, by increasing the number of Special Forces in this War on Terror, but I still think that will not matter in the case of Civialns casualties versus the Terrorist Casualties. Remember Vietnam, and what happened there when the Special Forces came? Did they leave anything standing? Do you think that when Special Forces conduct an Operation, they would be any different then the Smart bombs being dropped on a House? If you ask me, things WILL get worse, for members of Special Forces are Trained to be Ruthless and without any Mercy whatsoever - remember how the UK Marines trained their Buddies, which were beaten, humiliated, almost tortured by their own training officers? Well, that just tells alot about how Special Forces are being Trained.

Special Forces are almost like a Smart Bomb being dropped on a house of a Suspected Terrorists - they will storm the House take few prisoners and take them away to a Torture camp near by. I think that the US Military is trying to import the Afganistan SOF Tactics to Iraq.

Will they also create their own Bands of Iraqi Militias, or should I call them Death Squads, to Fight the Supporters of Suspected Enemy Combatants?

So, you think the Number of Incidents will DE-crease?


US Special Forces in Afganistan: Vietnam Redux

"No one wants them there. They don't talk to anyone. They drive around maybe six or seven vehicles together in a convoy stopping to search houses. Everyone is afraid of them."
Abdul Ahmed Safi, official of the provincial Konar government



A large number of assaults by U.S. Special Forces with AMF mercenaries has been carried out. Other nation's Special Forces have also been involved. An American Seal unit called Task Force K-Bar led by a Navy commodore includes German, Canadian, Danish and Norwegian special forces personnel, involved in raids and surveillance in southern Afghanistan.(11) British SAS Forces were involved in operations along the Kwaja Amran mountain range in Ghazni and the Hada Hills near Spin Boldak.(12) Some raids have been reported and many have not. The pattern is the same: helicopters descend out of the sky in the middle of the night, troops rush into a village, knocking down doors, firing M-4 assault rifles, lobbing Flash-Bang grenades, yelling, searching women, arresting people, tying up suspects with plastic handcuffs, and abducting a group of people to major U.S. bases either in Kandahar or Bagram. The terror perpetrated upon mostly innocent villagers creates lasting fear and resentment towards Americans.

Well I really just CANT WAIT, for Slovenia to send our Special Forces to Iraq, for there are some Military Police already in Afganistan.




posted on Jan, 27 2006 @ 04:46 AM
link   

Originally posted by Souljah
- remember how the UK Marines trained their Buddies, which were beaten, humiliated, almost tortured by their own training officers?

Exscuse me those tapes wher about idiots in our armed forces, even YOUR country cant deny it has idiots in its armed forces.

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 12:07 AM
link   

Originally posted by Souljah
Well, let's remember, that War in Iraq is NOT another Vietnam and that War on Terrorism is going GREAT, and that's why the US military forces need this Largest Increase in number of Special Forces since the Vietnam War.
Ofcourse it has nothing to do with similarities with Vietnam War - it is just a Coincidence.
More Special Forces = More Black Ops or False Flag operations.


Unfortunately the administration is now seeking to do what John Carrey wanted to do from the get go - and the right thing to do. It's too bad the Bush administration used the "pushed perimeter" strategy as established by think tanks to wage war against Jihad, as this is a temporary fix. I understand controlling logistics (oil) as this is necessary to defeat the enemy.

Of course we need more SPECOPS - they get the job done. The goal is, lest any of you forget, killing those first who wish to kill and bomb us. This is done through relative superiority of which regular troops, god bless them, cannot carry out, as this is a separate compartment done through concise coordinated on target action. Souljah is the enemy and should fear the announcement of such. False flag operations? A better term is stepping on the neck of the enemy. Today I watched a suicide bomber blow up three members of the black watch. I hope to God more SAS and spec teams get into those labs and disrupt through viable action to prevent such in the future.



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 12:12 AM
link   

Originally posted by vincere7
Today I watched a suicide bomber blow up three members of the black watch.

What????
Where?
When?



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 08:08 AM
link   

Originally posted by vincere7
The goal is, lest any of you forget, killing those first who wish to kill and bomb us.

And what do you do in case of Bad Intel, and the Operation reusults in so-called Collateral Damage?

Again, who Wishes to Kill and Bomb You? You mean the Terrorists, which fight the Foreign Occupation?

I bet they just can't wait to get that Schmitar bloody!





Souljah is the enemy and should fear the announcement of such.

Excuse Me?

WTF was that Supposed to mean? Was it a Threat?

I am the Enemy?



[edit on 29/1/06 by Souljah]



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 09:15 AM
link   

Originally posted by Souljah
If you ask me, things WILL get worse, for members of Special Forces are Trained to be Ruthless and without any Mercy whatsoever - remember how the UK Marines trained their Buddies, which were beaten, humiliated, almost tortured by their own training officers? Well, that just tells alot about how Special Forces are being Trained.

Special Forces are almost like a Smart Bomb being dropped on a house of a Suspected Terrorists - they will storm the House take few prisoners and take them away to a Torture camp near by. I think that the US Military is trying to import the Afganistan SOF Tactics to Iraq.


First off, the UK Marines were not being tortured etc, this was an example of normal every-day RMC behavior. Also, the Royal Marines are not a special forces unit, they are highly trained conventional force that specialises in amphibious operations. They would however give the so-called special forces of most countries a run for their money.

Second, SF groups are not the mindless killing machines that you portray. They are used in precision attacks where the loss of life and collateral damage is to be minimised - ever heard of the surgical strike? Hearts and minds and covert observation are some of the major uses fo special forces, underwater knife fighting is only a small part of the training! The introduction of SF troops decreases the loss of innocent life and increases the number of bad guys who die. This is the goal of any confrontation.

An example of this is LTM (Laser Target Marking). Without special forces on the ground, bombers will have to take out a larger amount of real estate to ensure that the enemy is destroyed. Man-in-the-loop LTM increases the accuracy of these strikes, reducing the loss of innocent life.



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 09:26 AM
link   

Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by vincere7
Souljah is the enemy and should fear the announcement of such.

Excuse Me?

Yes, I agree that remark was uncalled for--please refrain from personal attacks on members. Let's debate the topic and not ATS members.
YOu can't agree with everyone, but it's this diversity that makes ATS a great place to discuss/debate issues.

Thanks.



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 11:50 AM
link   
My take on the subject:

We are going the wrong way. It is not the deficiency of the forces or the bombs that is causing trouble/terrorism.

Rather the abundance of these is the problem.

U.S.A. invented the Nukes, used them ruthlessly just to win the war by creating terror among the nations of the world. More nations then began their Nuke programs and some built their own Nukes by following US example. Rest of the world became more terrified and understood that it was essential for survival to go Nuclear . All of the WMD (Chemical, Biological eeeeeeeeetc) were also craeted by the US and world had to follow to combat US terror.

The weaponary and terrorising tactics invented by US now in the hands of others are a threat to US, a sad and unexpected development.

No nation/Empire since the history has caused a trouble of such a scale as to compare with US administration.

Erecting new mindless/heartless forces is another US invention that is liable to be used against its inventor.

USSR fell apart because its defence demands/aspirations exceeded its resources. Is USA going that way?


The US military has become dangerously overstretched because of the scale of its operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, two reports have warned.






chaudri



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 01:44 PM
link   

Originally posted by chaudri
No nation/Empire since the history has caused a trouble of such a scale as to compare with US administration.

Ever heard of the british empire?



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 10:09 PM
link   

Originally posted by Souljah
And what do you do in case of Bad Intel, and the Operation reusults in so-called Collateral Damage?


I call that war.


Originally posted by Souljah
Again, who Wishes to Kill and Bomb You? You mean the Terrorists, which fight the Foreign Occupation?


Yes, those who will fly planes into buildings, strap bombs to their chests and blow up busses and market places, and those who seek death to the U.S. Interesting how Muslims say "Allah be prasied," as they kill women and children - that is the edict of a mass murderer and certainly not holy, good, wonderful or jolly. I believe God does not condone murder while being praised nor should any sane human.


Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Yes, I agree that remark was uncalled for--please refrain from personal attacks on members. Let's debate the topic and not ATS members.


Not a problem I will answer Souljah's question and leave it at that.



Souljah is the enemy and should fear the announcement of such.


Originally posted by Souljah
WTF was that Supposed to mean? Was it a Threat?
I am the Enemy?
[edit on 29/1/06 by Souljah]


A threat no, stating reality yes. You use rhetoric, and disinformation, for the sole purpose of damaging morale amongst not only citizens but military personnel and publically agree with terrorist activity against US and UK forces. If you are a citizen of either nation then that makes you a traitor, if not a citizen then an enemy. You go beyond matter of opinion and free speech as the history of your posts clearly show.




[edit on 29-1-2006 by vincere7]



posted on Jan, 30 2006 @ 03:57 AM
link   

Originally posted by vincere7
Yes, those who will fly planes into buildings, strap bombs to their chests and blow up busses and market places, and those who seek death to the U.S. Interesting how Muslims say "Allah be prasied," as they kill women and children - that is the edict of a mass murderer and certainly not holy, good, wonderful or jolly. I believe God does not condone murder while being praised nor should any sane human.

I call That WAR.

You know whats the Problem here? When your precious US Military Carpets bombs or drops a Smart Bomb on Innocent Civilans sleeping in their Houses, that is NOT Mass Murder for you, but War on Terror - or War for Democracy as you like to call it. When they are Dead, they are the Enemy. I wonder how many Innocent People the US Military Forces have Killed in last 50 years of Fighting for the GOOD of Democracy. You spread war to Indo-China, Asia, South America, Middle East - you name it! American Empire is expanding and spreading across its Borders - and where is such as Powerful force, that tried really hard to Dominate this Planet (like Many Before), it always CREATES a Powerful COUNTER-Force, that will stop it. So if you want to Blame somebody for the Suicide Attacks - blame YOURSELF.



A threat no, stating reality yes. You use rhetoric, and disinformation, for the sole purpose of damaging morale amongst not only citizens but military personnel and publically agree with terrorist activity against US and UK forces. If you are a citizen of either nation then that makes you a traitor, if not a citizen then an enemy. You go beyond matter of opinion and free speech as the history of your posts clearly show.

Exactly your Problem - anything that goes against your Perfect Plan and aganst your Spotless Recrod of Humanity and Free Democratic Society is immdiatly labelled as Islamo-Fascist-Terrorist-Supporter-Disinformation. These are NEWS that are in the numerous Newspapers in the World - I did not make them up. I never said I Agree with Terrrorist Activity, but I said I DO NOT AGREE with ANY US and UK COUNTER TERRORIST ACTIVITY! An activity which is the ROOT of this Evil and that Causes More Terrorist Attacks, instead of eliminating them. And THAT is my OPINION, which I am FREE to Express (so Far!). And you have a Problem with that, because I show you the Mirror you do not want to see.

I know, I know - Truth Hurt, doesn't it?

You know, you can Always put me on Ignore, and the Problem will just Go away.


[edit on 30/1/06 by Souljah]







 
0
<<   2 >>

log in

join