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Will US/Canadian relations improve with the new Conservative Government in Canada?

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posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 03:07 AM
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Over the past few years, I have found the deteriorating relationship between the United States and Canada quite troubling. Granted, the American war in Iraq is quite unpopular in Canada, as it is elsewhere, but the rhetoric in Canada has been very anti-American. Nevertheless, Canada and the United States have had a very long standing friendship and it is sad to see it change into something akin to "obliging neighbors".

During the campaign for the Canadian election, the Liberals have made many cutting remarks toward the United States which actually prompted a sharp rebuke from the US Ambassador to Canada. Now that the election is over and a Conservative government has been chosen to lead Canada, do you expect that US/Canadian relations will improve?




posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 05:37 PM
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I expect it to improve, but I really don't think it's that bad now. Harper is a conservative through and through, and agrees with Bush on many issues. However, the people of Canada are no fans of Bush (the majority anyway), so Harper better tread llightly, or he'll be thrown out on his tush faster than Kim Cambell was.



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 05:42 PM
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A first point of contention seems to be appearing with Harper's plan to build three military icebreakers and a port in Iqaluit to protect Canada's sovereignty over the Arctic...


Prime minister-designate Stephen Harper took aim at the American ambassador's criticism of the Conservatives' Arctic sovereignty plan on Thursday, in the party leader's first news conference since winning a minority government.

"The United States defends its sovereignty and the Canadian government will defend our sovereignty," Harper told reporters in Ottawa. "It is the Canadian people we get our mandate from, not the ambassador of the United States."

A day earlier, David Wilkins, the U.S. ambassador to Canada, said his government opposes Harper's proposed plan to deploy military icebreakers in the Arctic to detect interlopers and assert Canadian sovereignty over those waters.


www.cbc.ca...

The U.S. ambassador has said that his government won't recognize the sovereignty of Canada over those waters.

EDIT: clarification of content





[edit on 26-1-2006 by Otts]



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 07:32 PM
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I think Stephen Harper will be friendly but firm in is dealings with the US.
I don't believe he will be as cozy as some people seem to think.
I'm impressed he stood up for Canada on the issue with David Wilkins regarding the Arctic sovereignty debate.

This issue has always been a sore point for him, during parliament, the conservatives were always trying to bring this situation to the table.
It was also in their platform, so I don't think this will be the end of it.cnews.canoe.ca...

I think initial dealings with the US with our new Prime Minister-Elect and thensome, will be in the best interest of Canada.



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 09:46 PM
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At the very least I don't expect Stephen Harper to kick the US around like Paul Martin And John Cretian did as a way of distracting Canadians from the issues that face Canada.



posted on Jan, 27 2006 @ 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by danwild6
At the very least I don't expect Stephen Harper to kick the US around like Paul Martin And John Cretian did as a way of distracting Canadians from the issues that face Canada.


I have to agree with you on this one. Paul Martin used the American-bashing avenue to try to garner votes -- a very unwise campaign tactic. You don't take swipes at your best trading partner or declared friends even though you might not agree on all counts with them. Thankfully, this tactic backfired on Martin.

Personally, I believe that Steven Harper will usher in better US/Canadian relations though I do not believe that it will ever reach the amicable levels attained during the Reagan/Mulrooney era. At least differences between the two countries will be discussed, I'm sure, from a general position of trust and friendship rather than outright animosity.

Canada and the US has enjoyed unparalleled friendship for many years now. Both countries share many of the same values. It would have been a crying shame to have discarded all civility for the sake of making a few anti American comments in the hope of picking up a few votes. With Steven Harper at Canada's helm, I cannot help but feel that this unique relationship between nations will be preserved, repaired and, perhaps, flourish anew -- without jeopardizing the social conscience of Canadians.



posted on Jan, 27 2006 @ 01:19 PM
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I couldn't agree with you more Benevolent Tyrant, I think we are headed for some interesting but positive times.

I think the relationship will be good with the US and hopefully sore-point issues will be ratified.

I have always been proud to be a Canadian but now I feel an excitement that I haven't felt in years. Feels good, almost like spring has sprung



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 07:10 PM
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I think it's reckless to gratuitously insult our neighbors to the south, and even though I have not one conservative bone in my body, I will applaud if Stephen Harper manages the feat of establishing cordial relations with the United States without kissing up to them. He has a very thin line to walk - he can read polls as well as anybody else and knows that Canadians will be very wary of him if he's seen as cozying up to the Bush administration. On the other hand, said Bush administration is expecting a lower tone of rhetoric from this new government... how he will balance it, I have no idea. But it's a good idea to start off by reminding Americans that Canadians are a different people, with different ideas.



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 07:37 PM
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Stephen Harpers wife likes hockey, drinks beer, kept her own last name , has a mind of her own and likes to take their kids out on her motorcycle, in and around Ottawa.

Whatever people don't like about the man fine, but I don't see him as some kind of extreme right-wing nut. Sounds like he likes the strong independent type when it comes to women.

Not the usual choice for the typical extreme right-wing politician.
Can't see her and Laura Bush cracking a cold one and riding off into the sunset on a Harley. Could you imagine the titters.


So far so good stevie boy



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 08:02 PM
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So far so good stevie boy


I guess considering he hasn't actually done anything or even taken power yet.



posted on Jan, 28 2006 @ 11:52 PM
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Sardion, not sure why you always seem to take an issue with me, I am not your whippen girl.

I have watched Harper's politcal career for the past few years and after reading his essays and various articles written by him and about him, I have reached my own conclusions as to what makes the man tick.

Conservative, Liberal, Fascism , Communism, Socialist, Democratic, whatever, most of these words, terms don't necessarily hold the same context of meaning for some people as they used to. When we talk about Fascism as I did in the other thread about the imaginary fixed elections I was simply referring to that fact the liberal party over the years has leaned more to the state run kind of governement that is an aspect of fascism.

Instsitutionalized health-care, daycare, even a good chunk of our media is subsidized by the government.
The liberals have always had this contemptuous attitude that they always know whats best.

I don't want to spend my life living under the concept of Father knows best and that if I don't agree with it I simply have no choice. And before you say we have freedom of choice in this oh so wonderful, lets please everybody , so no one will be offended society, where is my choice. If I choose not to conform to the daycare they offered(none) or the healthcare they offered(too late) or the fact there was no vote on same sex marriage, if I don't bow my liberal head and say ok , then somehow that makes me unCanadian. BS.

BTW, I don't have any issues with the same sex marriage and I don't know anyone who voted conservative that did. I don't hold any religious views and am more atheist to agnostic.

Sorry if this is long, I actually think and say things better as opposed to paper. Sometimes words don't always come out right.

As far as "so far so good" I just meant I was glad he called it with David Wilkins over the Arctic as this has been a thorn in Harper's side since he was young. He was disillusioned with previous governments, liberal and conservative as this area has been left unprotected and neglected for so many years. I was impressed he stood for his own convictions and commitment and not just to dispell the American fear factor.

No grief here buddy



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by alphacenturi
Sardion, not sure why you always seem to take an issue with me, I am not your whippen girl.


I take issue with your politics not you personally so don't take anything I say as a personal affront as it's not meant in that way.



I have watched Harper's politcal career for the past few years and after reading his essays and various articles written by him and about him, I have reached my own conclusions as to what makes the man tick.


Good for you, but as we all know what's written on paper doesn't always translate to the real world very well. I don't trust anyone from the Refooooorm party of Canada period. If Stockwell day becomes our Foreign affairs minister well lets just say our international respect will dimish measurably.



When we talk about Fascism as I did in the other thread about the imaginary fixed elections I was simply referring to that fact the liberal party over the years has leaned more to the state run kind of governement that is an aspect of fascism.


I was just poking fun at you thus the ---->
I was feeling cheeky that day so don't take it personally.



Instsitutionalized health-care, daycare, even a good chunk of our media is subsidized by the government.


Your point being? Would you rather have working class Canadians pushed into poverty simply for being sick? I could care less about daycare btw, but Harpers proposels in that area leave alot to be desired. It should be up to the Provinces not the Feds IMO. My agenda is more power to Municipalities which is why I voted NDP. The Conservatives are all about empowering the Provinces and the Libs are all about consolidating power under a central structure. We need more decentralisation not reduced government. Make do with what we got but change it so we the major cities can govern ourselves as we see fit which we have never been able to due until the "New Deal For Cities" came along which Layton brokered with the Liberals but is now facing a crises with the Conservatives. I do NOT want to see another 2 decades of urban decay due to governmental neglect.



The liberals have always had this contemptuous attitude that they always know whats best.


Agreed.



BTW, I don't have any issues with the same sex marriage and I don't know anyone who voted conservative that did.


Move out west to Alberta for a bit, I'm sure you will meet your fair share should you do just that. Ontario conservatives are primarily of the fiscal persuasion which is why I find it funny that they think Harper is the same, which he plainly said he isn't by his own admission. He also seems to think the textbook definition of how a government should work has to be the way it should be, no compromises, no consensus just dictation from the top down. I shudder at the prospect of him leading a Conservative Majority which you predicted but thankfully didn't happen.



I don't hold any religious views and am more atheist to agnostic.


Cool join the club


You see that is my main issue with the Right, they treat the Left like we're a bunch of spoiled brats and that is why they get the treatment they do from me and others. I would leave well enough alone if they weren't so combative but that isn't the case(not saying you are, you seem relative non-combatitive). If Harper didn't gag his people during the campaign we would be seeing yet another Liberal Minority and I have to give him props for that cynical/opportunistic strategy.



As far as "so far so good" I just meant I was glad he called it with David Wilkins over the Arctic as this has been a thorn in Harper's side since he was young.


We shall see what he does, one thing I've learned about politicians is that what they say and do are usually completely different things.



He was disillusioned with previous governments, liberal and conservative as this area has been left unprotected and neglected for so many years. I was impressed he stood for his own convictions and commitment and not just to dispell the American fear factor.


Yeah. I watched an interview of him dated back in the early 90s where he pretty said he was disgusted by the amount of compromise and consensus building that went on in parliment. He sounded like a mini-hitler to me when he said that, and before you say stop watching CBC it was on Global the home of the conservative newscasters.

Also another note, I would respect your opinion more if you didn't dodge perfectly good points i've made like hiding his parties agenda through banning his party members from talking to the press during the campaign, saying that the CBC is a liberal propoganda machine when clearly it isn't and has never been. If anything they try their best to put the NDP in a positive light as much as Canwest puts the Conservatives in a positives light. I never claim that the media is unbiased either yet you made allusions that I did.

So in conclusion it's not you or me. It's your politics that I disrespect so don't take it personally or think I'm using you to push my point across. I argue with anyone who makes broad ill informed statements.


Hell did you know the other day I was actually accused of being an Ultraconservative for defending Harpers win?


Oh yeah please don't check out of this thread like you did in the others, I don't respect copouts either.

When I said what I said, it was an attempt to start a small debate/discussion and I was severly disappointed that you declined by not responding.

Another thing (sorry about that
) but your continual use of Conservative talking points is another point of contention. It signals a person who really doesn't know much about politics. I could be wrong but I have not seen anything to the contrary as of yet. I form my opinions by talking to people of different political persuasion and with my own two eyes not by watching CBC as you've alluded to in past threads.

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posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 12:58 AM
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Sardion, I can't quote and post as good as you, and I wasn't try to dodge points you were making, I am also having a hard time with hyperlink, sometimes it works sometimes not.

I understand your points and well taken.To be honest with you I don't really define myself affiliated with any party. There are positive points on all sides. If an election comes up I usually vote for whoever I think is best for the country at that time and in the future.

When they start acting like *&%#heads then when it's time to vote them out I will do my Canadian contribution and vote them out.

I understand what you are saying about the gag, and I read in the post that Libs were doing a little bit of it themselves. But think of it this way for all parties, we all know how the media works right, but if you take one man or womens view, it doesn't always reflect those of the party. This can be very destructive if this view is not shared by the majority of the party.
We have to remember that members of parliament, no matter their party, will not always share the same views on everything.

CBC. hmmm thats tough. Its funny now with the biased thing as on CPAC one afternoon a lady called in and complained the CBC was being biased by not showing Harper and making it seem like they were hiding him. And I thought they were being biased for not giving him as much airtime as Martin or Layton
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I think also I have felt for that last few years I have not had anyone to vote for that appealed to me as a leader.

Values, opinions, moral issues change along with the words we use to try and define them.

I know where your coming from with Harper, my brother is liberal and we keep trying to convince each other about the other. Good luck.

And as I type I can't really remember everything else you said and I know you know what time it is. I live in Mississauga, now you know why I hate the liberals, they've got me surrounded


Anyways I will be watching Harper closely and all the others.

And if it ever came down to a choice between Belinda Stronach and Harper and he loses, please pass the razor because I would like to slit my throat.

Peace out


PS: yes I did see that comment about you being an ultra-conservative, and almost choked
but it just goes to show you how people can take other people words and come up with a completely different perspective.

Goodnight Sardion 2000 sleep well



posted on Jan, 29 2006 @ 01:16 AM
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Of course the US is going to like him better. He's Conservative, wants missile defense and generally thinks the US is the greatest thing on the planet. What's not to like?

Harper doesn't actually have to even do anything to improve the relationship. He just has to not be the Liberal Party, Chretien or Martin and things are bound to get better.

If he improves the relationship, great. What really matters is what he does with it. Reagan and Mulroney were great buddies but I wouldn't classify that government as one of the better ones we've had.



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