Originally posted by Radekus
While we do that, we overhear the cashier talking to her friend, also a girl. "We don't hire men here, our manager finds that men are slobby and
good for nothing. After many bad experiences she decided not to hire anymore guys."
Originally posted by Godservant
Equal rights I am for, but it is not equal anymore
My friends... your awareness of sexism against men is rare, but I'm happy to see more people have it.
I wasn't sure whether or not to really post on this subject - because way back during my college years, I took up a debate against a group of
feminists on campus on a university forum much like this one.
What the research and debate taught me was that, for those who have been indoctrinated in women's studies classes, there is the notion of a
"patriarchial society" - supressing women and empowering men. I offer an alternative view here - instead think of our "old" social structure as
one that was set up with the "roles" in place to ensure the survival of the civilization. In other words, women were caretakers, homemakers,
gatherers, etc... Men were hunters, protectors, fighters, etc...
Before technology and social advancement, those "roles" were essential to the survival of communities. If people failed in those roles, a family
would starve, get sick, and possibly die. However with the advent of technology and social advancements, these gender roles became less essential and
the possibility of true gender equality became possible - the sharing of all "roles".
However - this is where society took a wrong turn and never looked back. On the way toward gender equality, the women's movement - a great and noble
movement in history - first provided the access for women to vote and eventually take part in the political processes (in the U.S.), giving them an
equal say in government and politics. Over time, the confines of those "roles" which women were forced into, have slowly been stripped away.
Women can now work in fields where only men have worked, without ridicule. They can vote, be the breadwinner in a family, work on cars or motorcycles
and act "tough" - and society has grown to accept women who do not choose the old "roles" women used to have to rigidly follow.
But the mistake is that society has remained rigid to the "roles" men are forced to follow. This is the fault of everyone, men and women, within
society. Boys are still strongly pressured into the most dangerous professions in our society - firefighters, policemen, etc... While occasionally a
woman can "choose" these professions, it is a much more rare occurrance for a man to "choose" nursing, child care, etc... And those who do, face
a much larger share of ridicule.
Remaining Gender Inequality:
: It goes into every aspect of society - yes, men are discriminated against in divorce proceedings
, there's very little
question about that and if you speak with most divorce lawyers they'll tell you how biased the system is.
Consider auto insurance
. Car insurers charge men higher rates. They justify this discrimination by stating that men are more
"dangerous" and have been shown to drive more recklessly and to use the insurance more often. Younger men in particular. While on its face (and
viewing it with our current "ok" attitudes regarding discrimination against men) most people are ok with this - but consider this alternate
What do you think would happen if health insurers charged women higher health insurance premiums because studies show that women utilize the health
care system much more often then men do and create many more health care costs to the insurance companies than men? How well do you think that
discrimination would go over? Want to see an instant protest of hundreds of thousands of people across the country? Give it a shot.
: Another example is with public universities. Any man that applies for public financial aid
must sign up with
military selective service or they will be denied any government financial assistance for education. Women are free of this obligation. These
federal financial aid applications are one of the few remaining "applications" in this country were blatant sexism is still allowed. And it is from
our very own government. And no one cares.
While the movement toward gender equality has advanced and empowered women to break out of traditional gender roles - society has left men behind and
men are still forced (by men and women alike) to fulfill their rigid roles as "hunters, protectors, fighters" Society has been "educated" to
support women in breaking free from their roles. Men are provided no such support.
Stay at home Dads (my brother-in-law was an example of this) continue to be ridiculed, and shamed. And the government still creates programs
targetting "women & children". This is because if people continue believing that our society was and is a "patriarchial" one, with rules in place
to empower men and supress women - we'll never achieve true gender equality. Because that isn't an accurate view of our history or of our society.
We need to change our social views not only to empower women to escape traditional gender roles, but we need to change social views to empower men to
escape their traditional gender roles as well - so that they can enjoy a better, happier, and healthier lives. So maybe, equally protected and cared
for, they can live longer lives too.
And no, it isn't only up to the men to do this. Next time you "tsk, tsk" at a man who doesn't follow the "traditional" rules of "women &
children" first..... next time you tell someone you want an "old fashioned" guy who opens the car door for you, takes off his jacket in the middle
of winter to make sure you are warm enough, and kisses the ground that you walk on......next time you look at a male nurse, waiter, artist, actor,
dancer and think "he must be gay" - consider that maybe there is no conspiracy against men and fathers. There's just something wrong in all of
where we (men and women alike) can't seem to allow men to break free from their
traditional roles, as we have allowed women to
Of course, changing a society's world-view won't happen in a single forum posting... but I hope this can at least help one person make some small
changes in their own life. Do something simple - just give a guy a hug.
[edit on 20-3-2006 by rdube02]