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Russian General: International ''terrorism'' doesnt exist

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posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 12:41 PM
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Ok, OK, you want mainstream sources? You got it buddy!


Mercury News
London Guardian
Yahoo! News
London Guardian
Fox News
LA Weekly
ABC News


Is that enough for you? Cuz I can go on.....

[edit on 25-1-2006 by LetKnowledgeDrop]




posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 12:52 PM
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All but the gaurdian and abc links are from prison planet. I wouldnt call prison planet credible no.

As far as the story in the ABC link goes , that isnt news and I dont see what it proves. The 9/11 investigation went over all of this and it that is why there was a shake up over the different agencies sharing information. I'd like to point out that the "wall" causing that lack of sharing came from the Clinton administration.

edit: Actually it looks like these links are from those sources, just linked from PP. I still highly suspect any story that PP would choose to share with you. All the issues that these articles bring up were addressed by the 9/11 commision. You have read that report havent you?








[edit on 25-1-2006 by Dronetek]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Dronetek
The quote shows that he never said what the OP claimed he did and all you can say is "He was being moderate"? How about, you were wrong and now you are trying to back peddel and save any face you might have?

Ummm ... he (the Russian General) wrote that OP, and I do believe I'm right.



Originally posted by Dronetek
All but the gaurdian and abc links are from prison planet. I wouldnt call prison planet credible no.

Those articles are cached, meaning they were originally on the Guardian and ABC websites.

[edit on 25/1/2006 by SwearBear]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by SwearBear

Originally posted by Dronetek
The quote shows that he never said what the OP claimed he did and all you can say is "He was being moderate"? How about, you were wrong and now you are trying to back peddel and save any face you might have?

Ummm ... he (the Russian General) wrote that OP, and I do believe I'm right.



The OP claims that the general said "International ''terrorism'' doesnt exist" which, he did not. He also claims he said " ''war on terrorism'' is a hoax", which I cannot find in the interview anywhere. He even uses "international terrorism" to describe what we are fighting. How can you be "compliciant" if you dont exsist?



EXTERNAL SOURCE
Terrorism is the weapon used in a new type of war. At the same time, international terrorism, in complicity with the media, becomes the manager of global processes. It is precisely the symbiosis between media and terror, which allows modifying international politics and the exiting reality.



Just admit, you didnt even read the story and posted this because you thought you had something you didnt.

[edit on 25-1-2006 by Dronetek]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 12:56 PM
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PrisonPlanet has those mainstream articles cached on its archives. I tried getting the actual articles on the archives of the actual source, but you need to pay for them
So the hell with that.

PP has all these articles from the actual sources on its Archives (Which they obviously paid for).

Even when mainstream admits it, people still find ways to debunk it....


[edit on 25-1-2006 by LetKnowledgeDrop]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 01:04 PM
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Even when mainstream admits it, people still find ways to debunk it....


What did they admit? Have you even read the articles you posted? These are old stories that have been delt with 2 years ago! Every one of those stories is about allegations, that have already been investigated!

Let me break it down for you:

Question 1: What did they admit in the articles?
Question 2: Have you ever read the 9/11 commision report?


[edit on 25-1-2006 by Dronetek]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Dronetek

Originally posted by SwearBear

Originally posted by Dronetek
The quote shows that he never said what the OP claimed he did and all you can say is "He was being moderate"? How about, you were wrong and now you are trying to back peddel and save any face you might have?

Ummm ... he (the Russian General) wrote that OP, and I do believe I'm right.

The OP said that the general said "International ''terrorism'' doesnt exist" which, he did not.

I hate to admit it, but you're right. The General said in the OP that he wrote the following:



Axis for Peace

Today’s international terrorism is a phenomenon that combines the use of terror by state and non-state political structures as a means to attain their political objectives through people’s intimidation, psychological and social destabilization, the elimination of resistance from power organizations and the creation of appropriate conditions for the manipulation of the countries’ policies and the behavior of people.

Terrorism is the weapon used in a new type of war. At the same time, international terrorism, in complicity with the media, becomes the manager of global processes. It is precisely the symbiosis between media and terror, which allows modifying international politics and the exiting reality.

In this context, if we analyze what happened on September 11, 2001, in the United States, we can arrive at the following conclusions:

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2. Only secret services and their current chiefs – or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations – have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude. Generally, secret services create, finance and control extremist organizations. Without the support of secret services, these organizations cannot exist – let alone carry out operations of such magnitude inside countries so well protected. Planning and carrying out an operation on this scale is extremely complex.


So he didn't directly say "International Terrorism doesn't exist," however, the type of International Terrorism that most people think exists, doesn't, according to him, me and many many others.



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 01:13 PM
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Let me clarify things....

They admit that the government AT LEAST knew about the attacks, and didnt do anything about it. That alone should ring some bells in you.

The 9/11 commision? hahaha! The 9/11 commision was appointed by the Bush Administration! It says it on their own website.

Any commision appointed by those being investigated...is not independant.



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 01:18 PM
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They admit that the government AT LEAST knew about the attacks,


Lets see some quotes and links to back that up.



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 01:19 PM
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OK, he didnt EXACTLY say that international terrorism doesnt exist. BUT he did say this about 9/11....

''Only secret services and their current chiefs – or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations – have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude. Generally, secret services create, finance and control extremist organizations. Without the support of secret services, these organizations cannot exist – let alone carry out operations of such magnitude inside countries so well protected. Planning and carrying out an operation on this scale is extremely complex''

What does he mean by ''secret services''? The FBI, CIA, NSA, MI-6, all these intelligence organizations! Its so bloody obvious.

He is, more or less, saying that 9/11 couldnt have happened with out the help of ''secret services'' like the FBI, CIA, etc. All you have to do is connect the dots.



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 01:20 PM
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Drone, seriously, thats sad. Did you read the links i put up?



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDrop
OK, he didnt EXACTLY say that international terrorism doesnt exist. BUT he did say this about 9/11....

''Only secret services and their current chiefs – or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations – have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude. Generally, secret services create, finance and control extremist organizations. Without the support of secret services, these organizations cannot exist – let alone carry out operations of such magnitude inside countries so well protected. Planning and carrying out an operation on this scale is extremely complex''

What does he mean by ''secret services''? The FBI, CIA, NSA, MI-6, all these intelligence organizations! Its so bloody obvious.

He is, more or less, saying that 9/11 couldnt have happened with out the help of ''secret services'' like the FBI, CIA, etc. All you have to do is connect the dots.



So making basesless accusations is enough for you? What proof do you or him have? I have proof out of osamas own mouth that he planned and executed the attacks. What do you have?




Drone, seriously, thats sad. Did you read the links i put up?


Yes and I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "they admit". You are the one making the accusations, thus it is your job to preset the information.

[edit on 25-1-2006 by Dronetek]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 01:37 PM
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Man, they admitted it! They reported on it! The government stopped certain FBI agents from investigating the Bin Ladens in America. They admitted that the NSA knew about the attacks, and did nothing. These mainstream writers dont get their stories from thin air. Man.....

Bin Laden and the Bushs have a long fricken history. Look at the proof, its out there man! Heres a video by BBC, brought by the FPI.

www.freepressinternational.com...

BIN LADEN WORKS FOR BUSH! HE IS BUSHS PUPPET, HIS BOOGEYMAN. THEY PUT OUT PHONY VIDEOS IN ORDER TO FOOL IGNORANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU. MY ITS WORKED BEAUTIFULLY NOW HASNT IT? USE YOUR BRAIN MAN!

It is admitted that Al Queda was created and funded by the CIA.

In case you are too young to remember, back in the 80s, Bin Laden was hailed as a hero on our news, for his role in fighting the soviets via Al Queda!
They said how he was CIA trained, and CIA funded. His code name in the CIA was ''Tim Osmand.''

You people need to wake up....



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 01:40 PM
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ok, im done with you. Come back when you grow up.



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 01:42 PM
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Look at the video. BBC!!!!!!!!! Dont make this personal on me, look at the information.

[edit on 25-1-2006 by LetKnowledgeDrop]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 03:05 PM
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People like drone are closed minded or backing disinfo, the crest in his avatar might definitly show a possible link with a military unit or possibly as his name implies is part of a inteligence gathering unit, dronetek might imply that he works on those drone, those people are usually forced to sign an agreement of non-disclosure correct?

Rense.com is not necesarilly biased, sure some of their articles are bogus, possibly most, but not all of them, as for being racist, not as racist as the American and Israeli (and many other western countries) people openly discriminate against the Arab people, all arab people on the streets practice a supposedly filthy religion (in no ways less filthy than western religion like the Christian and Jewish faith), they might have a more primitive culture in some countries (definitly not in all of them, just look at Turkey for example which is a muslim country) but they are definitly all terrorist, the flag-burners are mostly part of the extremist groups which is fairly isolated, most Islamic people are as peaceful as any other person.

they might have their reservations about the Israeli and American people due to the fact their countries were invaded and bombed by them which is quite understandable.

many Rense articles put emphasis on the Israeli influence on the NWO and the fact they control most of the western media, from MTV to CNN.

CNN might be unbiased, but they are also sellective on what news to publish, I.E. how many casualties on the Enemy and Civilian side have fallen and other news items that might defame the US and Israeli government.



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 03:09 PM
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most Islamic people are as peaceful as any other person.


I agree 100%.


Also, the fact you rate rense.com higher in credibility than CNN gives me good reason to ignore you from now on. Sheesh.


EDIT: I am ex military, but not what you think.

[edit on 25-1-2006 by Dronetek]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 04:36 PM
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Here's the original source, a interview conducted by a spanish website which states exactly the same thing that the war on terrorism is manufactured.

original article

www.voltairenet.org...

www.periodico26.cu...

Translated by google into English

translate.google.com... e_tools

General Leonid Ivashov has always been critical about the the war on terrorism.

Here's another article about 9-11

kurtnimmo.com...



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDrop
Look at the video. BBC!!!!!!!!! Dont make this personal on me, look at the information.

[edit on 25-1-2006 by LetKnowledgeDrop]

Then why isnt it on the BBC site?



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 04:58 PM
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Dronetek so you believe the word of Osama Bin Laden. Right after the events of 9-11 he released a statment backed up by the Taliban denying any involvemnt. Heres the article.

archives.cnn.com...

I guess thats when the lies & propaganda kicked in pinning the attacks on Bin Laden even though he originally denied it. Let's face it, all of his video tapes look suspect to say the least and in this day and age, with advances in technology and software you can appear to make anyone say anything using video or audio.

Take Care
Kindred




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