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Originally posted by vuoto
I'm curious to know how many of the readers of ATS believe that there is such a thing as a "War on Teror". Can war be declared on an idea, on a method? Is it possible to defeat a way of thinking, a belief-system, or a disregard for human life? And if it's not possible, then what is our goal?
How do we "win" a war of ideas?
I'm honestly looking for your ideas and beliefs here. What is the "War on Terror" and how can it be won? Can it be won?
Originally posted by chinabean
ever watched the latest star wars movie?
you know how anakin skywalker's wife lady says " the republic...we were the very evil we were fighting.."
when all that was good became bad..i think that's what is happening with the United States..alot of countries the way i used to see it when clinton was in office,looked up to us,but now it seems as if everything is on the flip-side..
Originally posted by TheCrystalSword
We need to cease calling it the "War on Terror". It isn't. It is the next Crusade. I can't remember my History all too clearly on the subject, but I think there were Five of them.... so if that is right, this would be the 6th....
"We must Murder them before they Murder us."
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three left's do.
Originally posted by PaddyInf
The War on Terror is the 21st century version of the Cold War.
Originally posted by FLYIN HIGH
Tell that to the victims of 911 and to the parents of the men and women in uniform who are putting their lives on the line over there to keep it from coming over here. This war on terror is as real as it can get. Given todays atmoshpere and the current negitive effects in the Middle East, it will not be long before some third world country or any of the main players in this war now, make a stupid move and wind up killing hundreds of thousands of people whom are going about their daily life when the feces hit's the fan.
There are metrics. For example, you can measure the number of terrorist attacks. Well, that's gone up sharply under the Bush administration, very sharply after the Iraq war. As expected -- it was anticipated by intelligence agencies that the Iraq war would increase the likelihood of terror. And the post-invasion estimates by the CIA, National Intelligence Council, and other intelligence agencies are exactly that. Yes, it increased terror. In fact, it even created something which never existed -- new training ground for terrorists, much more sophisticated than Afghanistan, where they were training professional terrorists to go out to their own countries. So, yeah, that's a way to deal with the War on Terror, namely, increase terror. And the obvious metric, the number of terrorist attacks, yeah, they've succeeded in increasing terror.
The fact of the matter is that there is no War on Terror. It's a minor consideration. So invading Iraq and taking control of the world's energy resources was way more important than the threat of terror. And the same with other things. Take, say, nuclear terror. The American intelligence systems estimate that the likelihood of a "dirty bomb," a dirty nuclear bomb attack in the United States in the next ten years, is about 50 percent. Well, that's pretty high. Are they doing anything about it? Yeah. They're increasing the threat, by increasing nuclear proliferation, by compelling potential adversaries to take very dangerous measures to try to counter rising American threats.
So basicly War on Terror does NOT decrease Terrorism, it Increases it and not only that, it also Creates a perfect Breeding Ground for Terrorism and for Attacks on American People on their Land.
Ironny, people disagree with a war but rush off to fight it. Or they fight it but claim they follow orders.... remember what happened in Nazi Germany, they followed orders to and look what happened.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
As for terrorism elsewhere, well, that really doesn't concern me, as long as the US mainland is safe I’m satisfied.