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A Paper Border

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posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 01:27 PM
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What is common knowledge is the 'border', is the single most important aspect of a sovereign nation.

Some borders are protected and secured with great detail and effect,
some are not,...

and, some appear to be 'paper' borders, with security being the least of its strengths.


In the US, our borders are fairly porous, especially in the south. Millions of
non-citizens use the south border as access points to America. Some legally, but I dare estimate, most illegally. So some of the citizens become up in arms, and form the Minutemen militia.

Now what would you expect a governments response would be if it was for the people, by the people.

Would it be complete public dis-connection and denial of support? As well as pursuing slanderous remarks and threatening legal actions?

Or would it be support and understanding, as well as action to correct any shortcomings, to protect what is in the best interests it's citizens.



Is it possible that the US government 'prefer' to support a 'paper' border?

What would be it's benefits, what would be it's purpose.





[edit on 21-1-2006 by smirkley]




posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 02:19 PM
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They're just lines on a map so in a sense they are "paper" borders.

Some countries attempt to enforce lines on the ground but with little success and much bloodshed. In the end borders change.

Those that need walls can't accept change nor exchanges, their isolationists. I would submit that borders have nothing to do with real sovereignty. Control over territory and resources is a factor, but more important is control over people.

When we have situations like the minutemen it goes to the heart of the meaning of principles like democracy, free will, and ligitimacy of power.

Democracy can be described as mob rule for the greater good. But what happens when the mob is wrong? or when it takes the law into it's own hands? or goes against the greater good? And who defines the "greater good"?

Any group of people or any government can exercise their "free will" and justify it as "by the people, for the people", but is it really what "We the people" want?

Where does legitimate power lie?


Originally posted by smirkley
Is it possible that the US government 'prefer' to support a 'paper' border?


As opposed to what?



What would be it's benefits, what would be it's purpose.


Philosophically, I can think of many benefits to having no lines on a map, but I can't think of any in having them physically manifested on the ground.

I never understood the need for some to stay behind walls and locked doors to protect themselves from the world outside. Fear of change I guess.

The fact that we feel the need to have those borders says a lot about the culturally ingrained "us" v. "them" mentality (of which I am also a victim), and the longer we succumb to that mentality the longer the underlying societal problems causing the need for "security" go unsolved.
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posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Gools

Originally posted by smirkley
Is it possible that the US government 'prefer' to support a 'paper' border?


As opposed to what?



As opposed to just having drop the border.

Think about it.

Inflation would be in check because cheap labor would be abundant. And skilled labor would be an unemployment statistic, much higher.

Since the UN is the only entity that 'protects' our sovereign existence, why should we even declare a border except to present established exile to visitors, or security for its citizens. Other than that it means nothing as you have pointed out.

But yet,..fences remain, rivers get crossed, money and assets cross, ... and still yet, three sides exist to each border.


The Minutemen, who are protecting what they believe to be sovereign,

The Government who seems to have money to spend on everything except where it may appear 'protectionist',


And the inflow,...who find work abound and little resistance or deterrent to cross to their own independence.



posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 05:31 PM
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If this were put to a vote in the Southwest, where the numerical majority IS Hispanic, the Minutemen would be out of business.

Borders are symbols of prejudice and cowardice. They separate families, neighbors and friends. They breed war and organized crime. They impede the flow of revenue, hinder law enforcement and are a barrier to commerce. They are a symbol of cowardice and fear in proportion to their degree of fortification.

Imagine Israel if the Jews and Arabs intermarried. No more war.

A unified American continent is possible, if we embrace our natural allies: the next door neighbors. The only thing standing in the way is racist cowardice.



posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 08:56 PM
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The United States government has for decades now failed its people and failed the country. We have been under invasion now for years and they just don't care. They would risk the security of our nation and the future of our social institutions for short term profit for big companies, and for political votes. How pitiful and tragic
More Americans need to do what they can to protect our sovereignty and our laws from being violated. The governors of the southern states who are on the front line of this invasion should use the National Guard for what it was intended , they should send them to the border to enforce our laws.

The great border of the United States of America, how depressing.




posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
The governors of the southern states who are on the front line of this invasion should use the National Guard for what it was intended , they should send them to the border to enforce our laws.



Well, they are currently tied up dealing with things on a 'federal' level.

Any coincidence maybe?



posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 09:45 PM
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Well, Arizona’s Govern Janet Napolitano has more gonads then our other elected leaders, she has sent troops to help secure the border. California, New Mexico, and Texas could do the same if they wished, they are only making excuses if they claim otherwise.




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