WWIII Theory

What if WWIII turns out to be Islam v Rest of the world

First of all. my perspective on the matter.
I live in Australia. Directly to the north is Indonesia, the worlds largest muslim population, with over 140 million people crammed into just over 2 million sq km. Australia on the other hand has just over 20 million people and over 7.5 million sq km. So the Indonesians have plenty of reason to invade Australia, if only for the space. Not to mention the natural resources that abound here. So i feel i have plenty to fear

My theory, to get to some sort of point, is that if and when Iran is struck by either America or Israel, that this could spark some sort of global revolt by all the islamic nations againt the rest of the world.

Personally i dont see the Australian Army (or the US for that matter) being able to respond and defend effectively given our commitments the the middle east.

If anyone has any thoughts on this i would be glad to hear from you

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
What if WWIII turns out to be Islam v Rest of the world

First of all. my perspective on the matter.
I live in Australia. Directly to the north is Indonesia, the worlds largest muslim population, with over 140 million people crammed into just over 2 million sq km. Australia on the other hand has just over 20 million people and over 7.5 million sq km. So the Indonesians have plenty of reason to invade Australia, if only for the space. Not to mention the natural resources that abound here. So i feel i have plenty to fear

My theory, to get to some sort of point, is that if and when Iran is struck by either America or Israel, that this could spark some sort of global revolt by all the islamic nations againt the rest of the world.

Personally i dont see the Australian Army (or the US for that matter) being able to respond and defend effectively given our commitments the the middle east.

If anyone has any thoughts on this i would be glad to hear from you

it could happen like that dont forget it could be worse.. if israel fires 1 nuke america fires 2 then israel fires 4 then america fires 8 and soon enough enerybody dies from radiation poisining or 3rd degree burns. war hurts dude.

I wouldn't be too concerned. They still need to cross the ocean to get to you, and the Aussy navy is no slouch.

It doesn't seem feasible to have a WW3, if Islam fire 1 nuke, America fires as many as it takes to turn any opposing nations into glass. They wont take any chances, I know I wouldn't.

I'm an american so my perspective is a bit different. Considering australias history with indonesia I can see where you might come to this conclusion in your hypothesis. But I really believe that the "war on islam" is really a war of extermism.

The simple truth is most muslims want to go about their lives in peace with others, it's the kooky hard liners (on all sides of every religion from judiasm to christrianity) that keep getting us in trouble.

From my american perspective I see a possible WWIII scenario working about differently.

If the socialist and hard-line anti-american movement in both colombia and venezuela catches on and a sort of domino effect happens uniting latin america that could be a problem. Chavez may be a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them.

From CUBA re-defining what "communism" means to them and the continuing tensions growing bewteen the US and Mexico it's not a far fetched theory.

You'd have a united socialist latin america kind of in the style of the EU (not the socialism bit) alligning themselves most likely with China and Cuba, first thing they'd do is annex Puerto Rico and then, game on folks.

Just sort of spit balling off the top of my head here.

Interesting thread though.

Just so you know, I'm a big fan of australia best fun I ever had.

Spiderj

well, i hate to say this, and please dont take my comments for racist remarks....it's just my take on how southerners would deal with this problem based on what i've seen growing up in the southern US.

if either scenario takes place, that is an uprising of islamic or hispanic peoples in the US, i dont think you have to worry about the US military's ability to deal with them. rather, you have to worry about the american people's taking the retaliation too far. should such an uprising occur in the wake of a war situation with either iran or chavez, rednecks will take matters into their own hands to insure the safety of their families. the reactions to 9-11 prove this.

within one month of such an uprising on the part of islam, muslims would cease to exist in the southern US. within 6 months of such an uprising by hispanics, they would be confined to the cities and wouldnt dare venture out of them. i have no proof of this, and its just MHO. but growing up down there, i'm pretty damn sure of it. and something tells me that this mentality wouldnt be confined to the south. the michigan militia is pretty radical in and of itself, and would probably react in much the same manner...as would the other militias spread across the US.

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Does Indonesia have a modern armed forces?

One that could stand up to or overwhelm Australian forces.

Looking from here, it seems Australia would have the technological edge.

And . . . as mentioned, there's the Australian Navy....

Isn't the War on Terror WW3?
A world war is a war where major nations of the world are invovled.
28 countries with troops in iraq?


I don't see it turning into islam vs world. Just extremist.

Against the World? hmm I could see a genocide occuring in such an event.

if either scenario takes place, that is an uprising of islamic or hispanic peoples in the US

Just to clarify, I wasn't talking about an internal uprising of latin americans in the united states but a unifying of the latin american countries under a socialist movement.

They are (at least in my opinion) two very different things.

spiderj

Just as an add-on to my theory.

The Palestinian Election results could further ignite the World War, which i outlined in my original post.

Think about this. Hamas fires rocket attacks into Israel. this is now an act of war because Hamas is a freely elected representative of the people. So war breaks out in the middle east (in addition to the one we have already, and the one we are expecting anyday soon) which could easily escalate into a global nuclear war, with Islamic nations on one side and the "free" world on the other side...

Am i just being paranoid or are others thinking along these lines?

Maaaate!!!!!
As a proud and patriotic Australian of European descent (not that that matters a damn), I would give my left testicle without a thought about it if Australia came under any sort of immediate threat.
What you say about Indonesia is partly true, Yes, they are the worlds most populace muslim nation and our immediate threat in our region, with China being a close second and North Korea third.

What goes in our favour in such a scenario as you have previously documented is a few things -

- first, Indonesia is spread over a wide area with many many islands and they have within themselves their own strife and differences and battles, and as it stands, they couldn't organise a complete military force, united under one commander for that one purpose of invading Australia.

If they could and did, then that would change the military strategy somewhat, but for now they cant.

-secondly, Indonesia would have to put up with what the Japs had to put up with and which contributed to their downfall - that being the vast area that needs to be covered, and the supply lines that have to be continuiously running without fail over such vast distances to feed and arm their own troops. What saved Australia in world war 2 was that the Aussie troops were sent into Indonesia and they baited the Japs by drawing them out further and further until they were so sparsely connected with each other that they could take them down systematically one small group at a time and the Aussies eventually wore them out.

Not only that, but Japan would have had to have taken all of Asia over first, then send in it's entire army and supplies to completely fill Papua New Giunea, before being able to even think about attempting a takeover of a continent such as ours.

-Thirdly, did you know that during the late 60's and early 70's Australia was on the edge of developing their own Nuclear Weapons? We have that reactor at Lucas Heoghts in Sydney and another was talked about which would be considerably bigger as a "research facility". Sure! Anyway, the strory goes that we have enough weapons grade plutonium stored away from this research facility, and our missile technology is extremely good (one of the most advanced), that in the event of a mojor threat to Australia or in the event that Indonesia takes the Nuclear route/option, we would have Nukes protecting every major city here in no time!

And as one of the previous mesenger psoted about the militia in the southern states doing their bit to round up the ferals (i.e. mexicans and muslims), I only wish that we had more of our own militia present around Australia in the event of something like this. I know that the Bikie gangs are armed to the teeth, and theres still rumours abound about a missing container load of Chinese AK-47's that went missing off the docks in the late 70's that no one has ever used in any sort of criminal activity here, so someone out there is armed to the teeth.

And lets not forget to thank that little weasel of a human Johnny Howard for taking our right to own semi-automatic rifles away from the good law abiding hunter out ther in the public.

Alot of good our 3&4 round bolt actions will do if Indonesia decides to invade. We'll have more luck running them down in our 4x4's.

KOZAK - LIVE FREE OR DIE FIGHTING (ARMED AND READY FOR ANY YELLOW BASTARD THAT WANTS TO TRY AND TAKE THIS GREAT SOUTHERN LAND)

If I were Austrailian I would be more concerned with China deciding to build summer homes down under. They are the ones openly talking about border expansion. I dont know much about indonesia I will admit but when was the last time someone pissed them off? The Chinnese sound liked they are always pissed. Ofcourse I would be pissed to if I lived in a perpetual sausage fest like them with so few women.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
What if WWIII turns out to be Islam v Rest of the world

Australia on the other hand has just over 20 million people and over 7.5 million sq km.

. . . if and when Iran is struck by either America or Israel, that this could spark some sort of global revolt by all the islamic nations againt the rest of the world.

Personally i dont see the Australian Army (or the US for that matter) being able to respond and defend effectively given our commitments the the middle east.

1. A diversity of well connected Chinese sources have communicated to me a Chinese expectation/plan to take over Australia--primarily because of the space, resources issues. They expect to desalinate plenty of water to make Australia bloom.

2. A specualtive hypothesis I've had from some puzzle pieces for many years is that the puppet masters have set Islam up to obliterate other religions after which the puppet masters will obliterate Islam and set up the Biblically predicted worship of satan as head of the world government.

3. I has begun to look more and more like Islam is at least being set-up to spark WWIII in conjunction with No. Korea, Russia, China . . . and according to Dimitru Duduman's dreams and visions "a European country," which I've always assumed was France.

Interesting times we live in, indeed.

Past time for some serious praying.

Keep one very important factor in mind. The larger the army the more difficult it is to transport and supply it. Even if all these nations came together they simply don't have the logistical capabilities to support a huge army at a distance. The combined airforces and navies of the West would deny any military the ability to effectively move men and supplies. And an unfed, ill-supplied, non-battle-tested army is an unhappy army

Originally posted by jtma508
Keep one very important factor in mind. The larger the army the more difficult it is to transport and supply it. Even if all these nations came together they simply don't have the logistical capabilities to support a huge army at a distance. The combined airforces and navies of the West would deny any military the ability to effectively move men and supplies. And an unfed, ill-supplied, non-battle-tested army is an unhappy army

So you think china together with allies could not sustain a long distance campaign say against Austrailia? But America can? Man thats just living in bliss.If China decided to land on austrailia with the force necessary to subvert them they would be well entrenched before we could do crap about it.

i think your right there solar..... If china wanted to flex her muscles and started an invasion they would be here long before america could come to our assistance

And then there is this...

Later than we think

The man in charge of hoodwinking the Western powers about Iran's now 18-year-old secret nuclear program believes the apocalypse will happen in his own lifetime. He'll be 50 in October.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Shi'ite creed has convinced him lesser mortals can not only influence but hasten the awaited return of the 12th Imam, known as the Mahdi. Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect holds this will be Muhammad ibn Hasan, the righteous descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the 9th century, at age 5. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war, bloodshed and pestilence. After this cataclysmic confrontation between the forces of good and evil, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace.

"The ultimate promise of all Divine religions," says Ahmadinejad, "will be fulfilled with the emergence of a perfect human being [the 12th Imam], who is heir to all prophets. He will lead the world to justice and absolute peace. Oh mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one." He reckons the return of the Imam, AWOL for 11 centuries, is only two years away.

More...

Read the entire thing. It is disturbing to say the least.

The only thing Australia has to worry about any time soon is lack of sun screen for the depleted O-Zone layer over that continent.
In all seriousness, the only nations in the Pacific region who have the force capabilities to project power outside their own borders are India and China. And neither of them have a large enough or high tech enough navy to combat the US forces stationed in the region which would most certainly fall on any task force trying to reach New guinea or Aussieland.
China's power is almost exclusively in its army, and they lack the transportation capabilities to sail them to the Phillipines let alone Austrailia.
And India, as far as I know, is freindly towards the Austrailians and is too preoccupied with Pakistan to worry about anything else.
Indonesia does have a small standing army but nothing with which to go traipsing about the Pacific Ocean for.
And as far as John Howard taking away you're firearms: That's the first tactic of a Marxist, to disarm the populace so as a counter peoples revolt (a non leftist revolt) can not happen. Put all the firepower in the hands of the state and you have made the state ten times more powerfull than it needs to be.

What if? It already looks like it is that way. dont you think?

Sometimes the specifics relating to who's going to invade who, what pretext is going to be used etc take us away from the general idea of WWIII.

Samuel P. Huntington proposed the theory in the Mid -1990s in his book "The Clash of Civilisations and the Remaking of World Order" that global politics would be determined by cultural identity. This was originaly propsed in the early 90s but only made it to press in the mid 1990s.

He basically said (i've lent my copy out, so you'll have to bear with me if the details are a bit sketchy), that the end Cold War is allowing people to think more about "local" issues like cultural identity rather than the focus of all political activity coming down to capitalist or communist. This will result is more localised wars which lead to larger regional and world war.

The original post about Islam against the world is probably closer to the truth than anything else I've seen.

You can get a better idea from here. There is a small section describing the general outline of the book.

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