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Fascists using Faith

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posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 01:47 PM
There has been a conspiracy in the United States since the 1970s, perpetrated by people with aims to destroy the Constitution, deny personal Freedom, and to bring a theocratic, fascistic regime to power in America.

This conspiracy is often described by the innocent-sounding terms "Reconstructionism", "Dominion Theology", or "Theonomy". It refers to the belief that all earthly forms of government must be replaced by a "Kingdom of God" that uses only a distorted and atavistic reading of something called "Biblical Law" to replace all man-made laws. This movement is behind what's now known as the "Religious Right" in America (and in Western Europe) and its purposes have little to do with God, Christ, Faith or the Bible. It is a purely fascistic movement that is most closely related to the radical Islamic fundamentalism which has caused so much suffering in the world today.

Gabriel Fackre "The Religious Right and Christian Faith"

What is at stake here is the very integrity of biblical truth. The New Right, in many cases, is doing nothing less than placing a heretical claim on Christian faith that distorts, confuses, and destroys the opportunity for a biblical understanding of Jesus Christ and of his gospel for millions of people.

The rationale used by the Christian Reconstructionists (which is not related in any way to Jewish Reconstructionism) is from Genesis 1:26 of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament):

Genesis 1:26 (NIV)
"Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'"

Most Christians and Biblical scholars interpret this verse as giving Mankind dominion over nature, animals, etc., and makes us stewards of our world. But Dominionists see it differently. To them, this Biblical verse gives them authority to "bring all societies, around the world, under the rule of the Word of God." Or if not the actual "Word of God" then whatever they happen to say the Word of God is.

Although most Dominionists prefer to work behind the scenes, supporting fellow traveller political candidates such as Senators Sam Brownback and Rick Santorum and President George W. Bush, there are a few Reconstructionsists who have spoken publicly. One of the better known of these is R.J. Rushdoony. Here are some of the changes he has proposed:

The use of the death penalty would be greatly expanded, when the Hebrew Scriptures' laws are reapplied. People will be executed for adultery, blasphemy, heresy, homosexual behavior, idolatry, prostitution, evil sorcery (some translations say Witchcraft), etc. The Bible requires those found guilty of these "crimes" to be either stoned to death or burned alive. Reconstructionists are divided on the execution method to be used.
A church or congregation which does not accept the Mosaic Law has another god before them, and is thus guilty of idolatry. That would be punishable by death. That would include all non-Christian religious organizations. At the present time, non-Christians total two-thirds of the human race.
The status of women would be reduced to almost that of a slave as described in the Hebrew Scriptures. A woman would initially be considered the property of her father; after marriage, she would be considered the property of her husband.
It would be logical to assume that the institution of slavery would be reintroduced, and regulated according to Biblical laws. Fathers could sell their daughters into slavery. Female slaves would retain that status for life. Slave owners would be allowed to physically abuse them, as long as the slaves lived for at least a day before dying of the beating. 9
Polygamy and the keeping of concubines were permitted in the Old Testament. However, Reconstructionists generally believe in marriage between one man and one woman only. Any other sexual expression would be a capital crime. Those found guilty of engaging in same-sex, pre-marital or extra-marital sex would be executed.
The Old Testament "Jubilee Year" system would be celebrated once more. Every 50 years, the control of all land reverted to its original owners. In theory, this would require every part of North American land to be returned to the original Aboriginal owners (or perhaps to those persons of Aboriginal descent who are now Christians). Hawaii would be given back to the native Hawaiians.
Governments would all have balanced budgets.
Income taxes would be eliminated.
The prison system would be eliminated. A system of just restitution would be established for some crimes. The death penalty would be practiced for many other crimes. There would be little need for warehousing of convicted criminals.
Legal abortions would be banished; those found to be responsible for abortions would be charged with murder and executed.

The above list is not supposition by those who oppose the Dominionists, but rather from the very words of Rushdoony and his associates.

Although it's couched in terms of the Bible, God and Christ, a scratch beneath the surface of the men behind the Reconstructionist movement shows that they are motivated not by the Second Coming of the Kingdom of God, but by raw greed and the accumulation of power. These are not godly men, but men who in their private lives have shown little regard for any biblical injunctions. Among their numbers you will find extortionists, adulterers, thieves, arms dealers and in at least two cases, murderers. They have little use for the humble Christ of the Bible and his exhortations to love. Their messiah bears a stronger resemblance to Rambo.

The philosophy of Dominion Theology has completely infected the United States government. It's already impossible for an agnostic or athiest to obtain public office in the US, from the local school board to the President of the United States. Can you even imagine a candidate for President who didn't go to church every Sunday, or at least claim to? Senator Sam Brownback is one of dozens of US Senators and Representatives who live in sequestered housing completely paid for by a shadowy organization known only as "The Order". This same "Order" is the organization that's been behind the Presidential "Prayer Breakfasts" that are held in D.C. for the most powerful government officials. There's not much praying going on at these breakfasts, but if you're a military contractor looking for a fat payday, that's the place to be.
Even the supposed "Liberal Media" in the US has now been completely intimidated by the Dominionists. If you still have an open mind, do a little research into the actual views of the cable News channels. Count the talking heads on the panels on Sunday News Shows. How many of them are secularist, or progressive, and how many are pro-Christian Right? Take a wristwatch the next time you're watching Fox News Channel. See how long the "liberal" politicians are allowed to give their views vs. the views of the Right and Far-Right, who are supported in main by the Dominionists, from Rushdoony in the past to Grover Norquist. In fact, this "Jack Abramoff" that we've been hearing about lately is directly tied to the Dominionists and their grab at power in the US. The fact that he's Jewish and doesn't even believe that Christ is the Messiah hasn't stopped him from being embraced by those who claim to hold "Christian" values.
Remember "Justice Sunday" where a bunch of Right-Wing politicians spoke to a huge audience at a mega-church? This was organized and funded completely by Christian Reconstructionists. When George W. Bush, the hero of the Reconstructionists had the nerve to nominate Harriet Meiers as Supreme Court justice, he was lambasted by the Dominionists because Ms. Meiers was not as fanatically opposed to the Constitution and ultimately, her name was removed. Instead, we have Judge Alito, whose views are exactly in keeping with those of the Dominion. You think he believes in the original intent of the framers of the Constitution? Not for a minute. He'd overturn any law in a moment if it doesn't place what he refers to as "moral law" ahead of the laws of our land.

I'd strongly urge you to spend a little time researching the terms "Christian Reconstructionism", "Dominion Theology" and "Theonomy". Then come back and tell me what you think.



[edited quotations, which provided sources, to conform to board custom of using the 'ex' tags and a citation within them -nygdan]

[edit on 24-1-2006 by Nygdan]

posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 01:53 PM
NONSENSE. Why did I even waste my time on this....

posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Nakash
NONSENSE. Why did I even waste my time on this....

"Judge not, that you be not judged." - Matthew 7:1

Hello vuoto,

It seems that parts of your post have been directly copied from other sites. Unless you are the author of all these sites, I suggest you use the "ex" tags (as I have done above), for the copied parts.

Inverencial Peace,

[edit on 20/1/2006 by AkashicWanderer]

posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 05:14 PM
I believe that came from the heart, even if it was taken from external sources.

Fascinating stuff all the same.

If you believe anyone speaks from experience, you need faith in that experience.

If your experience is contrary to everyone elses, then what to have faith in but yourself.

"Sin Athina kai xoira koine"

Even if you believe in Gods, you still have to make an effort.

This is my internal external speaking.


posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 05:22 PM
It would behove the author to read the following post.

Posting work written by others. **ALL MEMBERS READ**

Posting the work of others making it look like your own only belittles your creditability.

posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 06:11 PM
Agape is in credible.

Or so I've been told.

Still, it's nice to be original once in a while, except that every idea has been used before.

How do you do the external links thing anyway, I can't see it...

posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 12:42 PM
It is my habit to use attribution rather than html code. But thanks for the advice.

Originally posted by Nakash
NONSENSE. Why did I even waste my time on this....

"Judge not, that you be not judged." - Matthew 7:1

Originally posted by AkashicWanderer
Hello vuoto,

It seems that parts of your post have been directly copied from other sites. Unless you are the author of all these sites, I suggest you use the "ex" tags (as I have done above), for the copied parts.

Inverencial Peace,

Mod Edit: Fixed Quote Tags.

[edit on 25/1/2006 by Mirthful Me]

posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 12:51 PM
I appreciate those who have posted suggestions that I use the "quoting" mechanism in my posts.

Instead, I have chosen to directly attribute any quotes that I made to the actual author of those quotes. I'm assuming that there are enough people who know how to read that they can understand phrases such as "In the words of..." or "As ### has said..."

Quotations taken from the Bible are identified by Chapter and Verse. I hope people realize that if I put "I Corinthians" in front of a quotation, it's an indication that these are not my words. But if some of you thought I was taking material without attribution, and that's the only criticism you can make of what I've said, I accept that you agree with my assertions regarding the foul actions of those that would use God for their own gain (ie: Taking the Lord's Name in vain), such as Rushdoony, Dobson, Robertson, Santorum, Brownback, GW Bush, Medved, etc etc etc.

posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 01:02 PM
Copyright laws, my friend--take them seriously because they're for real.

Regarding the over-zealous fundies stuck in a carnal reality--don't you know Pharisees never win? :shk: No matter when, where, or by what name.

posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 01:30 PM

Originally posted by vuoto
Instead, I have chosen to directly attribute any quotes that I made to the actual author of those quotes.

ATS administrators have asked that we no longer ["quote"] material from external sources, and instead use the ["ex"] tags with a link to the full work.

Unless you have written consent from the author of the books you're quoting from, reproducing them on the internet may be copyright infringement.

Sorry to take away from the discussion of this thread.

There are many leaders, religious or secular, that use people's fear to control them. As queenannie said, these are the Pharisee's of our time, who use something that was meant to free us, as a tool of enslavement.

Inverencial Peace,

[edit on 21/1/2006 by AkashicWanderer]

posted on Jan, 24 2006 @ 07:14 PM
When manhatten falls again and every city behind
The cup of wrath will be filled
The jokers behind it who imprison mankind
Will be screaming loud for revenge
They'll conscript your sons they'll gag your mouth
They'll tie your hands and your feet
They'll ask you again "have you something to say?"
Then if you do it's Guatanamo bay
They’ll build round the world a high prison wall
And trillions by them will be killed
But their days are counted They are but a few
So they’ll destroy all they can to the end
They don’t care for them and they don’t care for you
They care not for children at all
And all who kling to them to save their own lives
Will surely share in their fall.
The true King is the Fool and the King he just is
Accepting all things in true love
This is the infant the child and the one
Bringing heaven to earth from above
The placenta once powerful From memory gone
As we enter the home of our birth
Come now children and gather around
Where everywhere bright eyes and full bellies are found.
Music and laughter ring through the night
Love gives vision where there was no sight.

posted on Jan, 24 2006 @ 08:29 PM
Just to be clear, vuoto provided citations and credit where credit was do. We ask that the 'ex' tags be used in addition to this, so that there is no confusion at all when there is a quotation from an outside source.

Moving on..


what is nonsense? That these movements exist, that they are that extreme, or that the people cited as being part of it are in it? Or, perhaps, that even if it was all true, that it'd be a problem?


Its an interesting poem, but how is it specifically related to this issue of Dominionism, rather than the general world situation?

AW and Queenie,

Intersting usage. The Pharisees were supposed to be the more bookish sect of jews at the time, which would certainly seem to fit the bill in this description of Dominionism.


I'd be interested in seeing how there is a connection between santorum and this Dominionist movement.

I am also somewhat curious as to if its necessarily a fascist movement, even the term 'islamo-fascism' I sometimes find inaccurate. However, perhaps thats more of a political discussion.

You noted one man in particular that was espousing the most extreme versions of this stuff. Who is he, outside of a proponent of this? IOW, does he run any organizations that any politicans are members of?

Also, how can we say that people like Santorum are actually part of this movement, iow, how do we distinguish between fundamentalist christians and these Sharia like christians, these Dominionists (dang thats a nicely ominous sounding name!


Its curious that this Dominionism movement is a radical protestant movement, and I can't help but notice that lots of the more radical protestants consider themselves something like "jewish + jesus", I think that they sometimes call themselves Noahides or something along those lines, and that they practically venerate the state of isreal, taking very seriously and strictly the requirements upon the jews from the old testament.
I can't help but wonder if some of there are a lot of Noahide Dominionists and the like then.

posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 03:16 PM
I'm grateful for the Applause messages that forum moderators have been sending me. And although I've been trained to use attribution in everything I write, I will henceforth use the ex tags.

I hope that the numerous Biblical quotations that are being strewn about the ATS forum also start to appear within ex tags.

Unless of course, those posting those quotations believe that they are the authors of those Biblical quotations, which is quite possible given their propensity for fantasy.

posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 03:49 PM
well the bible is fasicst from the begin to the end..

' there is only one true people of god (they say it is the jews or whatever group of people it is) . and people other then the people of god were killed in the bible. egyptians ect

and then is there the fasicst act of god by killing peoples first borns.
and if it is not god that is fasicst it is the kings or pharaos who kill by fasicst means.

what about the others like the plague ect

saying there are only one true group of people the israelites is the same hitler used there are only one group of true people they are arians the great germans with blond hair and blue eyes.

see they are just the same.

posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 05:23 PM
Though this OP is from 2006, I find it extremely pertinent to today's current political situation. I had no idea that this segment of our political process known as the Religious Right was so fanatical and filled with such hate. It explains everything I have noticed about the GOP in the last 20 years.

How on earth can a christian buy into this pure evil mindset, and still consider Christ as their teacher and master?

Many thanks to Simplynoone and this post for enlightening me on this group. I had no idea, I just thought they all had lost their marbles.

posted on Aug, 29 2008 @ 06:46 PM
I starred and flagged this because I believe this is a part of the nwo agenda. Commander X, talks about exactly this in the latest video I caught of his, in which a new form of Christianity would be enforced, and would be the law of the land, and the courts and in which you would be hung for homosexual behavior, adultery, etc.. I think the courting with Sharia Law, which is completely against the constitutions of free countries that protects everyone equally by law, whatever their sex, ethnicity, religion, etc may be, in family and business law. We, in Canada, slam dunked that, but the UK lost so far. All this courting with ugly fascist, ancient barbaric traditions, seems like an agenda to me. Also, Benjamin Fulford talks about the proof he has of the meeting where they told him they planned on splitting China into 6 kingdoms, and the cartel ,a couple of US an UK banking families primarily
, plan on creating two kingdoms in the middle east, one around Afghanistan and one somewhere else, and diminish the role of the US, and rule the world in its feudal, barbaric serfdom from there. So equalizing religions back to the dinosaur days is in order!
I've been bringing this up for some time now.

[edit on 29-8-2008 by mystiq]

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