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reply posted on 19-1-2006 @ 08:08 PM by mrwupy
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Wars and rumors of wars. (sigh)
You know, i'm not even a christian and i'm starting to sweat like an athiest at the pearly gates.
Wupy
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reply posted on 19-1-2006 @ 09:27 PM by WyrdeOne
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wupy
That's a prophecy that can't help but come true. It's like saying "The sun will rise tommorow", but in a spooky voice. Mankind has been
fighting over resources and various ephemera since our earliest days. You'd be hard pressed to find a period of history that couldn't fulfill the
"wars and rumors of wars" requirement.
Hellmutt
Thanks for bringing this here, I hadn't seen it before (and I don't exactly live under a rock).  I'm still reading up on the situation, so I
don't really know enough about it right now to comment.
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reply posted on 19-1-2006 @ 10:38 PM by Hellmutt
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WyrdeOne
I must admit that when I heard about the possibility of an imminent war someplace, I had to look up where that place was as well. I´ve never heard
about this place before. Azerbaijan I´ve heard about of course, but not Nagorno-Karabakh. This is apparently one of those conflicts the world has
forgotten about, it doesn´t get much coverage in the media. The Armenians, if I´m not mistaken they are mainly Christians.
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reply posted on 21-1-2006 @ 04:50 AM by Hellmutt
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There has been high level talks between the Foreign ministers of Azerbaijan and Armenia in London. The Presidents of Azerbaijan and Armenia will meet
soon in France. They were invited by the French.
Payvand´s Iran News: Presidents of Armenia And Azerbaijan To Meet
1/20/06
High-level talks between Armenia and Azerbaijan on Nagorno-Karabakh have ended with an announcement of an upcoming meeting between the countries'
presidents.
Oskanian told RFE/RL's Armenian service that the two presidents will come together in France, probably sometime in early February.
Predominantly ethnic Armenian Karabakh seceded from Soviet Azerbaijan in 1988, triggering a war that claimed some 30,000 lives and drove more than
800,000 people from their homes. A truce was signed in 1994, but Armenia and Azerbaijan remain formally at war.
"Armenia and Azerbaijan remain formally at war"? I didn´t know that... 
RA MFA: Progress on Some Issues Fixed in London (PanARMENIAN.Net)
20.01.2006
Progress on some issues was fixed however the parties still disagreed on a number of items. The OSCE NG Co-Chairs handed the Ministers French
President’s Jacques Chirac’s invitations to Presidents Robert Kocharian and Ilham Aliyev to hold their meeting in France.
CIS: Armenian-Azerbaijani Cup Match Falls Through,
Raises Eyebrows (RFE/RL)
20 January 2006
Armenia and Azerbaijan were set to square off today for a semifinal soccer match in the Commonwealth Cup being played in Moscow. But the Armenians
refused to play, claiming Russia had failed to give them proper security guarantees. The Russian Football Union, however, says the team's withdrawal
may have more to do with politics than with security.
"Witnesses of Jehovah" 
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reply posted on 22-1-2006 @ 05:00 AM by Hellmutt
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Apparently two explosions hit two pipelines and caused the gas supply from Russia to Georgia and Armenia to be cut off. Georgia now imports gas from
Azerbaijan. I don´t know how the Armenians are doing without the Russian gas.
 RIA Novosti: Blasts on pipelines cut gas supplies to Georgia, Armenia
22/ 01/ 2006
Two blasts that occurred early Sunday on trunk pipelines running across southern Russia cut gas supplies to Georgia and Armenia, the Russian Emergency
Situations Ministry said.
The explosions hit two pipelines in North Ossetia, Russia's republic in the North Caucasus. Please visit the link provided for the complete story.RIA Novosti: Georgia starts importing gas from Azerbaijan
22/ 01/ 2006
The Georgian gas import company started importing natural gas from neighboring Azerbaijan, after the explosions on pipelines running across southern
Russia cut natural gas supplies to Georgia and Armenia, the company's press office said Sunday.
The Georgian Fuel and Energy Ministry also said it was holding talks with Iran on gas supplies to the republic. Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
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reply posted on 22-1-2006 @ 06:05 AM by IAF101
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Although this war like anyother war is a sad thing I think the cold war rivalry between the US and Sino-Russia combine will play a lot of politics
here. Especially in the current oil politics going on in Central Asia between the US and Sino-Russia. Azerbaijan being an important part of the
central asian corridor would be very important to any side. Any side that controls this area will have a significant advantage over the others and
would be able to dominate the situation. The US could use this opportunity to level the advantage of the Chinese-Kazak pipeline by gaining domination
over this region. This might also boost US popularity in the region along with the significant geo-political mileage this would give.
The Georgians and the Armenians dont have good realtions with the Russians anyway historically and the US might want to exploit this to make the most
of the situation.
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reply posted on 22-1-2006 @ 12:07 PM by Hellmutt
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reply posted on 22-1-2006 @ 06:42 PM by Hellmutt
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Hmm. The Russian FSB (KGB) apparently "knew something was up" before the pipelines were blown up. Here is an article from January 20th. Terrorists
trained by Al Qaeda in Georgia!
Interfax: Russia tightens border control over terrorist attack plans - FSB
Jan 20, 2006
Russia has tightened security in the North Caucasus after being tipped off about plans by international terrorists to stage terrorist acts in
several places in southern Russia. "Operational reports have been received along the lines of the Federal Security Service (FSB) and the
Interior Ministry that militants are being trained in the Pankisi gorge, Georgia, under the leadership of representatives of international terrorist
organizations, including Al Qaeda, for terrorist acts in several regions in the North Caucasus," a FSB spokesman told Interfax on Friday,
saying that other Russian law enforcement agencies received similar tip-offs.
And the FSB has very good relations to special services of Azerbaijan as reported here January 18.
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Joint swedish/russian military exercise!
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reply posted on 24-1-2006 @ 09:42 PM by Hellmutt
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I just found this. It´s very interesting, check it out. A basic learning to "forgotten wars".
Basic Learning: Forgotten Wars (Soj)
24.01.06
Country: Armenia and Azerbaijan (Nagorno-Karabakh)
Combatants: Ethnic Armenians (Christian) vs. ethnic Azeris (Muslim)
Current Status: Frozen. Border skirmishes kill approximately 40 people per year.
Reason for Conflict: Ethnic Armenians and Azeris in the region do not live in easily divisible geographic locations. The region
Nagorno-Karabakh has always been populated by a majority of ethnic Armenians. During the Soviet era, Nagorno-Karabakh was placed inside the Soviet SSR
of Azerbaijan. After independence in 1991, Azerbaijan maintained its Soviet-established borders. A war immediately broke out in Nagorno-Karabakh. With
support and troops from Armenia, Nagorno-Karabakh became a de facto independent state and aligned with Armenia. Nagorno-Karabakh uses Armenian
currency and most residents carry Armenian passports.
[more...]
Click the link to see the full version with the rest of the
details...
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reply posted on 28-1-2006 @ 01:58 PM by Hellmutt
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A U.S. company are going to mine uranium in Armenia! "The witnesses of Jehova" are sitting on a gold mine... I mean a uranium mine. Oops
edited to add link to :
Press release from Global Gold Corporation.
"Global Gold Expands Into Uranium Exploration in Armenia at Getik Property"
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reply posted on 3-2-2006 @ 05:58 PM by Hellmutt
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reply posted on 15-2-2006 @ 05:27 PM by Hellmutt
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Iskander Gamidov, the leader of the National-Democratic Party of Azerbaijan said Azerbaijan should prepare for war to take back Nagorno-Karabakh. He
said sooner or later war will be inevitable, they should prepare society for war and negotiations should be halted.
Interfax: Azerbaijani politician urges war preparations to retake
territories
Feb 15 2006
Azerbaijan should prepare for war in order to take back territories seized by Armenia, said the leader of the opposition National-Democratic Party of
Azerbaijan (NDPA), Iskander Gamidov. "Maybe in a month, maybe in a year or two, but sooner or later war will be inevitable. We should prepare for it
and prepare society," Gamidov said at a roundtable meeting titled 'Prospects for the Karabakh settlement by military means' on Wednesday.
"Negotiations should be halted, because any negotiations are concessions and we have nothing to cede as far as the issue of guaranteeing territorial
integrity is concerned," Gamidov said. Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
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reply posted on 1-3-2006 @ 04:29 PM by Hellmutt
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Talks between Armenia and Azerbaijan regarding Nagorno-Karabakh are at a "dead end". The President of Azerbaijan said his country must "be ready
for any eventuality"...
RFE/RL: Azerbaijan's Aliyev Says Karabakh Talks
At 'Dead End'
01 March 2006
Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev was quoted today as saying that talks with Armenia over the Nagorno-Karabakh enclave are at a "dead end."
Speaking in the town Banofshala, in a small part of Nagorno-Karabakh still controlled by Azerbaijan, Aliyev said his country must review its position
and be ready for any eventuality.
Progress in resolving the dispute appeared to be gaining momentum in recent weeks, culminating in a face-to-face meeting last month in France between
the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan. But those talks ended without any reports of a breakthrough. Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
This doesn´t sound good... 
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reply posted on 4-3-2006 @ 10:22 PM by Hellmutt
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Armenian Defense Ministry said that Azerbaijani soldiers had opened fire on Armenian troops Thursday night. They said it was the third violation of
the ceasefire within two days.
RIA Novosti: Armenia says Azerbaijan fired on its troops
03/ 03/ 2006
Armenian Defense Ministry spokesman Sergei Shakhsuvaryan said that on Thursday night Azerbaijani troops were shooting at the Armenian stretch of
Baganis-Idzhevan road. He said no one was hurt among Armenian soldiers, and they did not open fire in return. "It was Azerbaijan's third violation
of the ceasefire regime within two days, where Armenian and Azerbaijani armed forces are in close contact," Shakhsuvaryan said. Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
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reply posted on 31-3-2006 @ 02:38 PM by Hellmutt
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Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mamedyarov warns that Azerbaijan may start a war to take back "their territories".
Azerbaijani media accuses Armenia for breaking a ceasefire and killing a Azerbaijani soldier on the border...
BakuTODAY.net: Azerbaijan says soldier killed on Armenian border
30/03/2006
Azerbaijan accused Armenia Thursday of breaking a ceasefire and responsibility for the death of one of its soldiers on their common border.
"An Azeri soldier was killed during the habitual violations of the ceasefire by the Armenian side," the defence ministry said in Baku.
"Azerbaijan's positions in the Tovuz region were targeted by Armenian military units from the Berd area," it said.
Armenian media says Armenia’s position is unchangeable and "Karabakh citizens have never been and will never be citizens of Azerbaijan"...
PanARMENIAN.Net: Armenia Not Going to Come out of Karabakh Talks
31.03.2006
Armenia’s position on the Nagorno Karabakh conflict settlement is unchangeable and we are not going to come out of the negotiation process,”
Hamlet Gasparian noted. To remind, Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov stated that “official Baku is ready to hold talks with the
Armenian community of Karabakh if they admit Azerbaijani citizenship and if Armenia comes out of the negotiation process.”
PanARMENIAN.Net: Karabakh Citizens Have Never Been and Will Never Be Azerbaijani
Citizens
31.03.2006
The Nagorno Karabakh authorities always supported NKR participation in the negotiations without preconditions, NKR MFA information and analytical
department told PanARMENIAN.Net. when commenting on the latest statement by the Azerbaijani FM. “Karabakh citizens have never been and will never be
citizens of Azerbaijan. The statements by the Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry are made for home and do not reflect the real process on the Nagorno
Karabakh conflict settlement,” the NR MFA said.
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reply posted on 24-4-2006 @ 09:40 AM by Hellmutt
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The frozen conflicts of the former Sovjet Union (Nagorno-Karabakh, Transdniester, Abkhazia and South Ossetia) will be on the agenda of the G8-meeting
which will take place in St. Petersburg in July. It will be the first time ever that the G8 will discuss these conflicts.
CIS: U.S. Pushes Harder On 'Frozen Conflicts'
(RFE/RL)
April 21, 2006
U.S. Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns says the United States will press for the so-called frozen conflicts of the former Soviet Union --
Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Transdniester -- to be included on the agenda of the summit of the Group of Eight (G-8) leading
industrialized economies in St. Petersburg in July. It will be the first time that the G-8 has discussed the conflicts. The group is likely to focus
on the apparently intractable dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Karabakh.
A flurry of diplomatic activity has reawakened hopes that an agreement on at least one of the "frozen conflicts" of the former Soviet Union may be
within reach. Part of the optimism stems from growing international attention to the problems of the post-Soviet states. The decision of the United
States to press for the inclusion of the frozen conflicts in Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Transdniester on the St. Petersburg G-8
summit agenda is a case in point. Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
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reply posted on 24-4-2006 @ 10:14 AM by SportyMB
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Hellmutt, another great thread....keep 'em coming
"Armenia and Azerbaijan remain formally at war"? I didn´t know that...
Yeah Armenia and Azerbaijan have been at it for awhile now. About a year or two ago it got so bad that both countries blockaded the borders and did
not allow anyone to pass. The only way to do so was to use Georgia as a medium to get from one to the other...which was a huge inconveinence because
there were no direct flights between Tbilisi and Yerevan and only a weekly flight between Tbilisi and Baku.
Sporty
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reply posted on 24-4-2006 @ 10:25 AM by SportyMB
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The Georgians and the Armenians dont have good realtions with the Russians anyway historically and the US might want to exploit this to make the most
of the situation.
Good point. The US has been 'playing' both sides for awhile now, mainly Georgia. Although, like I've said in a few other threads, I think the US
is not in it for money or oil.....I think the US is looking at making Georgia the next Turkey, a place to moblize troops and set up bases....but
that's thinking too far ahead 
Sporty
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reply posted on 3-7-2006 @ 07:58 PM by Hellmutt
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Mediators have gone public with details about the Karabakh peace process. They have made public the key issues which they are trying to agree on. So
far the peace negotiations have remained confidential and whenever the negotiations failed they simply told the public: "the two presidents failed to
agree". Going public may or may not be a good idea. I guess we'll find out if going public makes any difference for the peace process. They are
still far from agreeing to a peaceful solution. I hope the step of going public with this is not an act of desperation. It could give backlash and
turn from bad to worse.
RFE/RL: Nagarno-Karabakh: Mediators Take The
Process Public
June 30, 2006
Lifting the veil of confidentiality that has marked the Karabakh peace process since it began in 1992, the French, Russian and U.S. co-chairmen of the
OSCE Minsk Group tasked with mediating a solution to the conflict have over the past eight days gone public with a summary of the basic principles
currently under discussion.
Over the 14 years that the Minsk Group has been trying to mediate a political solution to the Karabakh conflict, those involved have generally abided
by a "gentlemen's agreement" that the negotiating process should remain confidential. The rationale for doing so is primarily to avoid derailing
the peace process by alerting the public in one or other country to unpalatable concessions required that opposition parties might seize upon to
discredit national leaders prepared to accept those concessions.
A further "gray area" not touched upon in the Armenian Foreign Ministry statement is the future status of several districts that prior to 1988 were
part of the then Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast, but which Azerbaijan took control of in May-June 1991, expelling the Armenian population.
Hey, I have an idea! Why not give it to the Palestinians? (I'm kidding of course)
Hoping for the best
Peace
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