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Topic started on 19-1-2006 @ 08:49 AM by Kalapadea
A company in San Diego is Developing a 330 MPG @ 65 MPH car that is now halfway to completion. The company, Accelerated Composites says the car will be able to drive Coast to Coast on one tank of gas carrying two people.




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The Aptera prototype, which is halfway to completion, will go for up to 330 miles on a gallon of gas thanks to an aerodynamic design and the lightweight composites that make up the chassis.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


This looks amazing, from the Accelerated Composites website, the car will weigh only 900lbs, yet will be a a very safe design for under $20,000 USD. There are also specifications for the engine and body style. I can't wait to find out more about this in the future.

[edit on 7-2-2006 by parrhesia]


reply posted on 4-2-2006 @ 02:55 AM by bigx01
Originally posted by Kalapadea
A company in San Diego is Developing a 330 MPG @ 65 MPH car that is now halfway to completion. The company, Accelerated Composites says the car will be able to drive Coast to Coast on one tank of gas carrying two people.




wiredblogs.tripod.com
The Aptera prototype, which is halfway to completion, will go for up to 330 miles on a gallon of gas thanks to an aerodynamic design and the lightweight composites that make up the chassis.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


This looks amazing, from the Accelerated Composites website, the car will weigh only 900lbs, yet will be a a very safe design for under $20,000 USD. There are also specifications for the engine and body style. I can't wait to find out more about this in the future.





interesting car. i wonder what it will look like after a semi hits it


reply posted on 11-2-2006 @ 10:04 AM by Off_The_Street
We already have a car that can get 300 mpg or more, is in large-scale production, widely accepted by just about everyone who sees it, carries four passengers (or three with a week's worth of groceries) and costs less than $30,000 US.

It's called the Toyota Prius (with two easily implemented factory changes).

First, make it a plug-in. After the first disaster with the GM all-electric cars of 6-8 years ago (that no one would buy because of their limited range) Toyota got the message that people don't want to be tied to an overnight outlet and decided (wisely) to let the IC engine and regen braking provide electricity to charge the batteries. But by not letting the driver have the option of plugging the car in overnight Toyota missed out on a great opportunity.

You can now retrofit a Prius (for about $12,000 US) with larger batteries, a different computer, and a receptacle for your 115 VAC mains. With the new system, the IC engine won't even start up until the current level drops to a pre-determined point or the car reaches 34 mi/hr (55 km/hr).

This means that you can charge up at night when electricity rates are lower, and, if you commute five or ten miles to work on surface street, you might not use any gasoline at all. In reality, though, given the mix of commuting, picking up the kids, going shopping, etc., the retrofitted Prius gives you about 98-110 mpg (42-47 km/l).

Second, change the computer (and, if necessary, the fuel lines) to give the engine multi-fuel capacity. General Motors, not exactly your cutting edge automotive company, is not offering many vehicles for 2006/2007 which can burn fuel up to e-85 (15 percent petroleum, 85 percent ethanol)

Work the numbers here. If you ran e-85, you’d only be using fifteen percent of the gasoline as before, which would (theoretically) turn your 100 mpg into 567 mpg! Now, in reality, the efficiency of ethanol is lower than that of gasoline, so your fuel usage would be up a bit. But even if you figured your e-85 efficiency very conservatively, you could still expect 300 mpg of gasoline (128 km/l) on a good day!

Now of course, there’re two negative factors I haven’t mentioned.

First, the electricity you get from your mains that you use to charge the batteries overnight is not a ‘freebie’; many electrical generating plants burn hydrocarbons like coal or oil, and that in itself is a Bad Thing in that it pollutes the air and lowers our stocks of petroleum world-wide). But electricity can be (and often is) generated by other methods such as hydro and nuclear fission, both a lot cleaner than hydrocarbon-burning. And even if you did get your mains electricity from burning coal, you get a lot more ‘bang for the buck’ from a large power plant than you do from a 1500 cc engine, even the one made by Toyota.

Second, changing the fuel from gasoline to e-85 is not a ‘freebie’, either. It costs a lot to produce ethanol, both in land, fertilizer and pesticides (not a Good Thing) and, most importantly in the long run, water.

But we can cut the production costs drastically, and ethanol (from corn or any other sugar-producing crop -- and maybe even cellulose someday!) is renewable, unlike oil.

There’s one more downside I almost forgot. With our demand for oil drastically reduced, our poor friends in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Venezuela, Iran, etc. would see their oil revenues go down and would not be able to afford their Mercedes Benzes and private jets. Also, without the oil thugs strategically important to the Western world, we wouldn’t have a need or an excuse to even be involved with the islamo-fascists, and we can leave them to their own devices. All is not lost, however; I understand there may be export possibilities for camel dung.


reply posted on 11-2-2006 @ 11:04 AM by sardion2000

First, the electricity you get from your mains that you use to charge the batteries overnight is not a ‘freebie’; many electrical generating plants burn hydrocarbons like coal or oil


Yes but those plants operate at a higher efficiency then individual combustion engines and are easier to remediate the pollution with some conventional methods as well as some rather new unconventional methods like using
Algae.


There’s one more downside I almost forgot. With our demand for oil drastically reduced, our poor friends in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Venezuela, Iran, etc. would see their oil revenues go down and would not be able to afford their Mercedes Benzes and private jets. Also, without the oil thugs strategically important to the Western world, we wouldn’t have a need or an excuse to even be involved with the islamo-fascists, and we can leave them to their own devices. All is not lost, however; I understand there may be export possibilities for camel dung.


Downside My sarcasm detector is going haywire

[edit on 11-2-2006 by sardion2000]
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