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Bush Administration Demands Search Data; Google Says No, Others Comply

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posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 08:04 AM
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Geee I wonder if they're looking for people looking up how to make dirty bombs, and sign up for Al Qaeda. Yeah, that's what they want the search data for.


Methinks they're looking for how many people are searching for conspiracies, which people these are, how on track the public is, how aware we're getting and how fast. The usual. God bless Google.




posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 08:31 AM
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Do you have a source?

If this is true, I question where Google's loyalties lie...since they've done similar things for the Chinese government, this couldn't be a moral stand.

Not that I support this request, but still...

[edit on 1/19/2006 by djohnsto77]


df1

posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
Do you have a source?

If CNN is to be believed as a legit news source.



If this is true, I question where Google's loyalties lie...since they've done similar things for the Chinese government, this couldn't be a moral stand.

Not that I support this request, but still...

Of course Google is taking a moral stand, just not your morals.
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[edit on 19-1-2006 by df1]



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 12:20 PM
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I guess Google are supporting terrorism because they are refusing to comply with the Government.

You are either with us or against us!

p.s. this is sarcasm



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by jagzz
I guess Google are supporting terrorism because they are refusing to comply with the Government.


well this has nothing to do with terrorism but is all about protecting children from pornography on the net

yeah, right



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
If this is true, I question where Google's loyalties lie...since they've done similar things for the Chinese government, this couldn't be a moral stand.
[edit on 1/19/2006 by djohnsto77]


My guess would be Money, corps got no other loyalties, not even to the employees.
China GOV could have shut down their business in China. It´s hard for US GOV to do that, I guess?
Google might sometime in the future be in a postion when they need favors from US GOV to grow. Beware.



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 01:42 PM
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Feds after Google data

By Howard MintzMercury News

The Bush administration on Wednesday asked a federal judge to order Google to turn over a broad range of material from its closely guarded databases.
The move is part of a government effort to revive an Internet child protection law struck down two years ago by the U.S. Supreme Court. The law was meant to punish online pornography sites that make their content accessible to minors. The government contends it needs the Google data to determine how often pornography shows up in online searches.


original article

Obviously a cover. And do you think they're looking for terrorists? They're compiling data on us, using this as an excuse. Just like when that one place got hacked last year, and it was the largest information database on just about every American. They're just seeing where our awareness level is at. We're still on stupid, but the conspiracy theorists are coming out of the closet ever since these hurricanes came around, and we might just know too much when the real stuff kicks off, like who and what we should really blame.



posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 01:57 AM
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IMO, everywhere we look, there seem to be more and more signs that this country/(world?) is headed in the direction of becoming a Police State. If the government wants to gain complete control over us, it sure would be helpful to them to know just where we stand in our thoughts and our own deductions, etc....

They also probably want to know just how much of their propaganda is being believed by how many, so they know if they should keep up with what they are doing, or do they need new strategies to try to fool us.

Also, just MHO, but I think that it is along these lines that Bush didn't go to the secret court to obtain warrants in order to spy on us legally, because there would be no warrant that he could obtain that would allow him to legally gather information on us in order to try to trick us, make it easier for him to lie to us, and most of all, use the information he has been trying to/already has compiled on us in order to empower the State.

Just my 2 cents



posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 10:50 AM
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Well I know it's not for child/porn related reasons.



posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 11:50 AM
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This Echelon stuff then? But thats nothing they can use in court I guess?

Anyway they should have a quite good overview of what people in general writes and reads on the webb, but...maybe..the pornsurfers just overload the system so they have to omit that.



posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 12:36 PM
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well this has nothing to do with terrorism but is all about protecting children from pornography on the net


Good point with the sarcasm. I'm home alone right now (being 16) and could easily look up how to make a pipe bomb or something. Or when people had a hissy fit when the iPod video came out, people were worried about children putting porn on it when you can do it with a mobile phone.
Am I allowed to say that?

Then again, it could be to prevent child pornography perhaps?



posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 01:58 PM
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Pretty extreme measure to get rid of child porn, and it would fail anyway, it would just go back underground (well ok deeper underground) than it was before.

It's more about governments wanting more control so they can decide what they think you are allowed to see, first they start with things that almost everyone will accept, child porn, bombs, terrorists etc. All very nasty and noone sensible would dare to challenge it. Then they slowly creep along and the conservative religious types will get rid of violence and regular porn and then we live in a Ned Flanders like world, whether you want it or not.

Then they decide you dont need to visit places like ATS and get those silly ideas into your head and that goes on the blacklist.

Cars are a bit fast and dangerous, lets ban people looking for videos of cars going fast.

Guns and military equipment, not really healthy looking at that is it? no, lets ban them too.

Video games, most of them look violent and are not a good role model, lets get rid of them too.

Decide you dont like the fact that they have banned everything you like and so you complain about the government online, well thats no good is it, can't have people undermining the publics faith in the government, off to jail with you sunshine, and they will show all your 'unhealtly' interests to the media so people will think you deserve it for being a 'sicko' or a wacky 'conspiracy nut'.

Sounds like a wonderful paradise doesn't it...



posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 03:30 PM
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You know what really surprises me?

Produkt hasn't said anything. He has been a bit quiet lately.

They'll slowly check everything, the NSA probably have all the Google data anyway.



posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 04:45 PM
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just so you knwo why google said No it is because they are owned by the federal Gov Of USA

Google + NASA



I�m simply dazzled, by the fact that Google, has been absorbed by the government, and there�s no public uproar. A year ago, PC industry news sources were all in an uproar, about Googles software spying capabilities. That finally simmered down over the last year, and now that kind of talk is a thing of the past. Google, the worlds most advanced data searching & cataloging system, has been aquired by NASA. That�s right, the private sector, internet searching powerhouse has been absorbed by the Federal government.



�On Sept 28 Google announced a partnership with NASA which would involve Google building an R&D center at NASA's Ames Research Center. As reported by SearchEnginejournal.com, NASA and Google were said to be planning to work together on a variety of areas, including large-scale data management, massively distributed computing, bio-info-nano convergence, and encouragement of the entrepreneurial space industry. The new building would also include labs, offices, and housing for Google engineers. Google also has a partnership with Sun Microsystems to help share and distribute each other's technologies [19]. As part of the partnership Google will hire employees to help the open source office program OpenOffice.org.�.



What�s fascinating about this story, is that it hasn�t caused a public outcry about privacy concerns. Its bad enough, Google already has track record of privacy and security issues:



�Google Desktop Search might just be too good. Using the new software, I was able to bypass user names and passwords that secure Web-based e-mail programs and view personal messages sent and received on public PCs.
Using Google's new software on a shared computer at the Google booth at the Digital Life trade show floor I was able to easily search for, find, and read private Yahoo e-mail sent on the computer by previous users earlier in the day.�



Is Google Desktop a Privacy Threat?



Its important to note, the above articles were written, before the government takeover. It would be a hassle for hackers to use your GDS against you, and likely not worth it. This would be an entirely different case for the government; its likely that Google has already given The Man a nifty little tool, to cut the hassle.



Then theres their newer privacy risk, Web Accelerator:

�Google has raised privacy and security hackles once again, this time by developing an application that accelerates Web surfing but can also delete pages or serve up password-protected content. The complaints center on the search giant's Web Accelerator, which was released on Wednesday. Downloadable software for broadband users, Web Accelerator is intended to speed access to Web pages by serving up cached or compressed copies of sites from Google's servers.�

�Some have pointed out the dangers and privacy implications of having a centrally located, widely popular data warehouse of millions of Internet users' searches, and how under controversial existing U.S. law, Google can be forced to hand over all such information to the U.S. government.�

Today (Nov. 11) they announced their newest tool, Google Personalized Search, which offers vast improvements over keeping track of your web searching:

www.techtree.com...



Those of you who don�t fully understand the functioning of Google�s tools, don�t freak out. Most of them are only a threat if they are installed, or if you�re signed up.



The main reasons for the NASA/Google merger: 1. Because they wont make it to the moon, due to miscalculated �tens of millions�. Actually, according to them, they are 4.5 billion over-budget, not tens of millions. 2. So web surfers can have access to �Apollo mission photos�, and other NASA content:



WASHINGTON, Oct. 28 (UPI) -- NASA's inability to balance its checkbook by tens of millions could hurt the space agency's chances to return to the moon by 2018, federal auditors said.



WASHINGTON, Nov. 4 (UPI) -- NASA needs about $5 billion more than previously budgeted to operate the space shuttle before the program ends in 2010, said the agency's director.



Do you really think that their moon goal could not be achieved, due to not owning Google? I think it�s a joke. With all of the computing technologies available, especially to NASA, I cant understand how they can�t manage their resources all of the sudden. Even if they cant, why couldn�t Google just come in as consultants, and build the software system to suit? That logic is pointless however, because they already stated their goal is to develop bio-info-nano computing technologies.



posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 09:10 PM
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Google's owned by that one Israeli diamond cartel, the Kaplans, I believe. The same one that owns Newsweek and some other news agencies.



posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 12:10 PM
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I have worked for the US Government for 12 years and understand the motives involved in seeking information. The government has always been behind when updating ther computer networks. THEY ARE VUNERABLE TO ATTACK BY HACKERS. Because the Cold War ended, most spy and military agencies have had to rush and justify their existance as a major players. Up until 2005, power was information. The agency that stored this knowledge kept it too themselves. Therefore, it's existance was justified. However, we are seeing an elaborate network of domestic spying going on in the name of terrorism. This justifies the military's existance to fight a war of which the Knight Templars fought 1000 years ago. We are fighting the same infidels, knowing that there will never with be an end because significant religious beliefs. In the long run when the oil runs out, we will leave and imperialize other rogue nations in the name of the common good of all. How does this tie in with Google. Well check out the following weblink and read. The one thing I learned over the years is that the government never tells the truth. Read for yourself! Do you honestly believe that Google is witholding search information from the government. Guess again. The CIA, DSS, NSA and other underground agencies want you to click on Google. The government has been watching me for years. Every week, SBC (telephone company) is outside my home messing around with the switching systems and lines. From someone who can speak from the inside please don't use GOOGLE. I am very loyal to my country, but now I see an abuse of power that needs to fall within the checks and balances of out government system. You can help by resisting.




posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 12:19 PM
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posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 02:13 AM
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I knew this was going to happen. They had all this data on us and there gonna turn things over. I use google everyday most of the time. I search for things like how to get free "gun" upgrades , How to drive planes for my Video "GAMES". Now I am scared...



posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 03:21 AM
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I know many have come to realize that it is a truly dark time we are approaching as "the beacon of democracy and freedom" for the whole world but the hour is actually much later than it seems. Surely in the darkest reaches of your mind you all wondered what an American police state would look like? It will not be a flashy takeover.

Remember, the people in power with all the money and all the influence have nothing to do with their lives except plan yours and mine and everyone elses as mere statistical assests in their grand chessboard. But I digress for a second.

The Google case should be the glaring red alarm signal that one would except in dire emergency situations. The situation in this case being big brother. This is how clever these Malthusian thugs are that just when you thought all your internet traveling was done in a safe and anonymous setting... You discover that the most important search engine that has the most users has been asked to participate in pretty much an order handed down from the propaganda masters and their corporate armies.

But you also discover that while it is now newsworthy to report the Google case all the other freaking search engines sold out even earlier and Google was the last and largest lone wolf that was not under constant electronic surveillance done by our alphabet soup federalis. Of course, some of you may have known this all before and discontinued use of those search engines and some of you may have not known or didn't care to see the danger.

I am in the latter. I sort of knew but could not see the big picture until I discovered how it all makes sense. The point is, no matter how bad you think this whole issue really is. I'm not talking about Google. I'm talking about the big picture. Remember this, ATS is monitored. They are all monitored. This is all used as data to create a profile or file case for each and every one of us.

I just deleted from my firefox, every search engine including google and yahoo. No more of these serpants in my ever shrinking closet of privacy, no matter where it may be. These are just small losses compared with the big picture, so when you think that this was bad remember how much worse is up ahead.

Be afraid.

PS- I am high. High NSA.



posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 06:33 AM
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Great speech RebelSaint. I unistalled my google toolbar and wont be using google anytime soon. Now I just need to find a alternative search engine maby a open source one?



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