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Originally posted by Stari
How about Egyptian artifacts found in the Grand Canyon? I know this does not help my proof other than knowing that Egyptians traveled the high seas and came to the Americas way before it was the Americas. Why did they do that?
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Originally posted by Harte
This bogus claim has been debunked so many times that I am amazed that people keep citing it. For starters, see what you can find out about these two gents - Prof. S. A. Jordan and G.E. Kinkaid.
Originally posted by BradKellBrrexkl
I'm not sure when the Inca's and Mayan's and others 'formed' or what not. But I wouldn't find it hard at all to believe it was at the same time that Rome and Greece and Phonecians and others were beginning to thrive.
Originally posted by BradKellBrrexkl
Barra, Olmec, the next down the line. Do any of these coincide with the Atlantis timeline? After all, they were supposedly at war, so cultures had developed. There should have been cultures on the Western Hemisphere. Who were the neighbors?
Originally posted by BradKellBrrexkl
Then how did those records of Plato show war with the Spartans? That's how it was told to him. So someone existed when they did if you follow Plato's explanation.
Originally posted by Darkmind
Atlantis is based on one story, told to Solon by an Egytian priest and passed down to Plato. The dating is wonky, but there is a theory that if you knock a '0' off the age you get possible viable date for the Trojan War.
Originally posted by BradKellBrrexkl
Then how did those records of Plato show war with the Spartans? That's how it was told to him. So someone existed when they did if you follow Plato's explanation.
Originally posted by BradKellBrrexklThey were at War with huts around Athens, which would then assume huts also in the Americas who would record such events. Or they were around at a later date, even more exposing them to written or oral history from other groups than just the Egyptians?
Originally posted by Harte
Actually, there's no real reason to believe even that Solon had ever heard this story. There is no Egyptian record of it, after all, and the Egyptian writings go back much further than the time of Solon, though they are certainly incomplete. Still, I think one would expect to see some reference to such a story as the Atlantis one in several recovered Egyptian texts, yet there is none.
Originally posted by Stari
Originally posted by Harte
Actually, there's no real reason to believe even that Solon had ever heard this story. There is no Egyptian record of it, after all, and the Egyptian writings go back much further than the time of Solon, though they are certainly incomplete. Still, I think one would expect to see some reference to such a story as the Atlantis one in several recovered Egyptian texts, yet there is none.
Let's not forget about the great loss to our civilization when the Library of Alexandria was burnt to the ground. The library had around 700,000 books. I am sure the history of Atlantis was lost when the world lost that library. Out of that many books (and that is an approximate number of books) Some of Atlantis history had to be lost. Even people who are skeptic of Atlantis being a real place in our history has to admit if Atlantis existed then the documents lost when the library at Alexandria burned down could have made mention of the great city of Atlantis. And the people who came after the fire would not know anything about Atlantis. The only people who would have known about Atlantis would have been the Egyptian priests, they were the ones in charge of the library.
Originally posted by Stari
...There is a mask that was found in South America with an inscription of an unknown writing. To my knowledge it has not been translated yet. And it may never be. It could be a helmet from an Atlantean soldier. OK, I know that is far fetched, my point though is that there is at least one language that I know of that has not been translated yet. There could be more.
Originally posted by Stari
You also mention the fact that there has been no stele found in Egypt with a story of Atlantis and there should be if the story where true. Well, what about the Egyptians who built cities on top of cities, over and over again? This was a practice in Egypt. They would not have quarried stone if there was a stone not being used anymore because the priests wrote or translated a story off from the stele and put the ancient story on papyrus and stuck it safely away in the library. The old stone would have been reused.
Originally posted by Harte
The Egyptians did not consider stories of their bravery in battle to be so easily stashed away in some library. If the Egyptians had been overrun by the Atlanteans (as Plato claims that Solon was told), we would find all kinds of memorials to whatever brave Egyptian leader "defeated" the Atlanteans (even though he didn't), and Solon would never have heard the story as told in the first place, the Egyptians were revisionist historians in the worst way. There can be no doubt that they would have claimed to have been the ones that defeated Atlantis, and certainly they would not have given any credit to the Greeks.
Harte
Originally posted by Stari
Originally posted by Harte
The Egyptians did not consider stories of their bravery in battle to be so easily stashed away in some library. If the Egyptians had been overrun by the Atlanteans (as Plato claims that Solon was told), we would find all kinds of memorials to whatever brave Egyptian leader "defeated" the Atlanteans (even though he didn't), and Solon would never have heard the story as told in the first place, the Egyptians were revisionist historians in the worst way. There can be no doubt that they would have claimed to have been the ones that defeated Atlantis, and certainly they would not have given any credit to the Greeks.
Harte
So are you saying that the Egyptians went back 12,500 years ago? I don't think so Harte. They only go back 5 maybe 6 thousand years. There is no proof of Egyptians dating back that far.
Originally posted by Stari
There is enough proof to state that Atlantis really existed, even the most skeptic has to admit that the simularities in ancient civilizations means that there was a familier aspect many hundreds possibly thousands of years prior to those with the simularities.
This is not even true. The last time there was a "flip" of the magnetic poles (that we know of, anyway) was almost 800,000 years ago. (Source:www.physorg.com...)
Originally posted by StariAlso wouldn't it stand to reason if Atlantis is lost to the world couldn't other civilizations that lived back then be lost as well. Scientists are saying that the Earths magnetic field flipped back then around 12,500 years ago and they have no idea how bad it was when it happend.
Originally posted by StariAlso there is proof all around the world of a catastrophe happening around 12,500 years ago worldwide, not just locally. This is also suggestive that Platos story was based on facts.
Why would an archaeological dig require a geomagnetic pole flip?
Originally posted by StariNow lets face it.. we will never actually find Atlantis. ...The only way it will ever be found is when the magnetic field does another flop, and scientists believe it will happen soon, then an archeology dig will be needed to find the remains of the main city.
Originally posted by StariAlso Harte, where is your proof or I mean evidence that this story was fabricated? Plato is adiment through out the entire story that it is a fact, not fiction.
The age of the settlements that started Athens is well known. Believe me, no civilization ever found dates back to anything like 10,000 BC. The earliest is around 3500 BC.
Originally posted by StariIt is quite possible that Plato did mean the Athens when he told about how Atlanteans ruled them then Athens took over and defeated the Atlanteans. When Americans first came to America they were not called Americans, later after a government was formed we were called Americans.
Originally posted by StariIsis you made a great point, is the Bible not true either? I believe in God and everything that is in the Bible.
Originally posted by Stariwhat about the city of Troy? That was always believed to be myth but it is now indeed a fact! Scientists were called crazy and could loose all reputation for searching for the lost and fabled city of Troy. Not now. Atlantis is the same.