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Topic started on 17-1-2006 @ 05:34 PM by LDragonFire
Most of us on ATS know and have at least heard of John Titor and his predictions like the one about civil war in the USA. This thread is not about John Titor. This thread is about the possibility of a civil war in the USA in the near future.

According to thisLink we allready are ingaged in a civil war


We Americans are now engaged in a New Civil war, testing whether this nation, conceived and dedicated as we are, will endure.


we are currently in a civil war against domestic political and economic forces that are killing us and destroying our nation.

Are you a Terrorist defined by these bills introduced into state governments:


The reclassification of terrorism is spreading across this country. A bill just BARELY defeated in Oregon would have made you a terrorist if you download music, block traffic or write a bad check. Want to know what the punishment would have been?


Just what direction is the USA heading in?? not only the USA, but the UK and basicly the rest of the so called free world.
More and more stories like This are being reported


President George W. Bush has signed executive orders giving him sole authority to impose martial law, suspend habeas corpus and ignore the Posse Comitatus Act that prohibits deployment of U.S. troops on American streets. This would give him absolute dictatorial power over the government with no checks and balances.


The point of this thread is to discuss whether we are heading towards a civil war and why, or Not and why.


reply posted on 29-1-2006 @ 07:47 AM by HarlemHottie
Originally posted by LDragonFire

The point of this thread is to discuss whether we are heading towards a civil war and why, or Not and why.


there's a thread on the board about international wealth differentials, and whether or not the 'third- world' countries will eventually snap and revolt (i'm not sure that's the right word) against the 'first- world.' i countered that the us' internal problems may be more pressing, given our own national wealth differential. further, it would appear that the us is either very close to, or currently experiencing, the socio-economic climate that led to the french revolution. i'm re-posting that reply.

to address your question, the conditions are in place to piss off a populace. now, the question is will americans collectively get off their butts, move away from the tivo, and put down the high- fructose corn syrup long enough to foment revolution? i am not confident.

Originally posted by HarlemHottie

Causes of the French Revolution include the following:

  1. A bad economic situation as well as an unmanageable national debt, both caused by and exacerbating the burden of a grossly inequitable system of taxation and France's funding of the American Revolution.
  2. Resentment of royal absolutism (described as "divine right")... see also Senator Says Bush Is Acting Like 'King George').
  3. Aspiration for liberty and republicanism
  4. Resentment of Manorialism (seigneurialism) by peasants, wage-earners, and, to a lesser extent, the bourgeoisie
  5. The rise of enlightenment ideals.
  6. Food scarcity in the months immediately before the revolution (which, between mad cow, bird flu, and monsanto, is a medium- term possibility).
  7. Resentment at noble privilege and dominance in public life by the ambitious professional classes.
  8. Resentment of religious intolerance.
  9. The failure of Louis XVI to deal effectively with these phenomena.


Sorry to say, but none of those really sound that far-fetched, and some are already in place here...what do you think?


[edit on 29-1-2006 by HarlemHottie]

[edit on 29-1-2006 by HarlemHottie]


reply posted on 11-9-2006 @ 02:26 AM by Melbourne_Militia
G'day there,

Just to let you guys know whats going on i Australia here, the conservative government here has brought in in the last year mega-strict Industrial Laws, that actually give more rights to rapists and murderers than union representatives.

How is this possible you ask? Well, the government is dead set charging hard at the unions here for they see them as a threat to their 'agendas'. Unions are the last bastion of civilian organised groups that inofrm their members to what is really going on and the government doesnt want this happening.

The governement has even made a new organisation that carefully watches and scrutinises all the actions of union members and representatives, and if they ask for that union representative to attend a "closed" session of court to hear charges of any kind, that union representative DOES NOT have the right to silence, whereas any sort of criminal does in a court of law.

The fine for staying silent is $6,000, and the union organisation gets fined $33,000.
If the union member talks about his closed court case to anyone else, he gets another $6,000 fine.

If he stops work at any work-site due to safety concerns, another $6,000 fine.

Aswell as this, if you participate, attend, support any sort of industrial strike action, you have been labelled a terrorist under our Australian Terror Laws, and may be subject to a couple days of detention.

So much for democracy, freedom of speech, and western society in general.

We are definitely not going down the right path.


reply posted on 13-9-2006 @ 06:59 AM by LDragonFire
Originally posted by magicmushroom
Hi Dragon very interesting thread and I have asked similar questions in the past. For what reason would the UKUS goverments wish to introduce such draconian legislation to control its people. Well if you have freedom, liberty etc. enjoyed by the populace how do you change that to a nation of people geared up for a major war with someone, lets say the Chinese.

Bush/Blair and Co used 9/11 and WMD to invade Iraq and as far as we all know Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and no WMD' were found. But something else happened in the wake of 9/11 in the UK/US, anti terrorism legislation was introduce with such speed that it should be in the Guiness book of records. Legislation that affects all of us and not the terrorists. They have no regard for the law thats one of the reasons they are called terrorists. So why do we the people need to be controlled by our masters. Are they planning for a major conflict and would require conscrition etc. and would want a compliant easily controlled population and not a free one.



Good point considering the patriot act is more of a series of laws for putting down some kinda public uprising more than it is to protect against terrorists. Its freaky as well that the USA UK and Australia all are going in the same direction, a massive power grab in the USA by the Executive branch of government, basiclly making itself all powerfull, no matter what the courts or congress has to say.

If they wanted to protect us from terrorists they would have made it harder for those intering our country, not making it easier to get into the country.

But there is allways hope, someday soon there will be a showdown between the Executive Brand of government and Congress, and maybe even the courts...we desperately need those checks and balances to remain intact if we are going to be free.

I find it sad that in the modern world we seem to need a big red menace to protect us and our liberties from our own government.
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