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TERRORISM: U.S.: 'Very High' Chance of WMD Terror Strike

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posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 02:09 PM
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Yeah, they keep Rice outta the picture news pretty good. Gives 'ya the impression she is 'over' there, doesn't it- I mean we really need another war like we need a hole in the head- right. So the next manufactured crisis has got to scare the livin' dickins outta the rest of the sheeple in the US

Whatever came of that problem with the Anthrax anyways? Didn't they find that it was really of US manufacture, ya know they can test that stuff and tell ya which lab it came from. Or maybe they can't tell ya'll.

Besides, we are already in a war. so the leader ( and more importantly, the military) can do whatever they want- just call it another axis of evil, besides maybe it is good for the economy. Perpetual commerce through perpetual war.

and if you feel impending doom' it's because they (your mainstream press and advertisers) are doing a good job at keeping the fear level at a constant hum. Ain't no other way to take away your liberties than to keep ya skeered all the time so they can catch those monsters before they can blow themselves up

'satire'




posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 02:25 PM
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"....then also realize that since the 2004 election the "terror alert level" has never changed.. or been used?"

REPLY: Not true.

".... THe devote followers of Bush rely too much on emotions and gut feelings to bother with facts and information."

REPLY: Hardly the case.

".... And will this WMD strike be ebbeted by Iran perhaps? Would it pass if this administration were to justify aggressive action on Iran by such concocted pretexts?"

REPLY: In case you haven't noticed, for the past 8 years we've been dealing with Iran via the U.N, the E.U. and in other diplomatic peace-wienie fashion. So, we'll see if that works.

".... I'll place my bet on it being used to cement more power for DubYa so it will be easier for him to declare "no election" in 2006. It's all about the power."

REPLY: Can I have some of what you're smoking?

".... The US economy needs to get stronger and our debt under better control."

REPLY: What??? The economy is going through the roof, and the national debt is only 3.5% of the GDP. Do the research.

".... About the only thing I can do is hope our government is doing all they can to stop it."

REPLY: They are, like the (legal) wiretaps. There have been at least two major terrorist acts stopped so far (Golden Gate Bridge and the Mall of Aamericas... covered in other threads), which were stopped by listening to cell phones. Hellooooo, it works! That doesn't include the wiretaps in Italy which recently quashed plans on attacks in Europe AND the US.

".... If our government believes Iran is going to give nukes away to terrorists, we need to discuss it instead of trying to cook up some stories or plan to let an attack happen on US soil without opposition."

REPLY: We'll do the best we can......

".... Second of all, can anyone tell me if Al Qaeda is just a "made up terrorist group" why is it that so many other countries also say that "Al Qaeda does exist and there are radical Islamic terrorists who have been planning, and in some cases have succeded, committing terrorist attacks against many nations?"

REPLY: They exist.

".... I think some people around these forums are forgetting pre 9/11 intelligence and the decision of government agencies not to announce this chatter by Islamic terrorists to the public."

REPLY: Yeah.... the intel that went back to the mid-1990's. However, the chatter was non-specific, so not much could be done.

".... this interview came to fruition only because the British newspaper asked these specific questions."

REPLY: The information had to be gathered well before the interview, or else there would be no sense to have the interview in the first place.

".... But have yet to arrest even one confirmed AQ terrorist group in the USA"

REPLY: Wrong-o.... read above about the two quashed attacks.

".... www.americaslastdays.com..."

REPLY: Hardly a reliable source. A "true prophet" is never wrong. That leaves out Nostradamos, too.

".... Intelligence agencies are picking up increased chatter and then there's the recent multiple tracphone prepaid cell phone (untraceable) purchases in lots of 60 to 120 around the country by middle eastern men recently."

REPLY: I was going to bring this up, too. I doubt it's a coincidence that the bulk purchases started AFTER the leak about the wiretaps. So, when an attack happens, the leakers should be held directly accountable, and all those *itching about the wiretaps should feel a great weight on their shoulders.

Ayman al-Zawahiri is actually the guy calling the shots... Bin Laden is just a figurehead. As for the link to the CNS, theye, too, are a somewhat arcane source of info... but I'll bookmark them to check them out from time to time.

".... agenda of cutting citizens rights.

REPLY: Lazarus.... could you please list the "rights" you claim to have lost?

".... suitcase nukes already in the US that can be employed for such at attack.

REPLY: managerie..... Actually, the "suitcase" nukes are actually the size of steamer trunks... hardly something one can carry around. Anyway, the book you mention about Bin Laden is a good read.

".... Iran will be blamed for the attack."

REPLY: Pure speculation, at the least. In any case, if we decided to have war with Iran, it would take about 24 hours; 4 hours to get it done, and 20 hours to stop laughing.



posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 02:32 PM
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zappafan, I see my u2u efforts weren't successful. If you continue to post in this manner:


REPLY: Can I have some of what you're smoking?


You will be warned. No further discussion is needed on this matter.



posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
zappafan, I see my u2u efforts weren't successful. If you continue to post in this manner:


REPLY: Can I have some of what you're smoking?


You will be warned. No further discussion is needed on this matter.


I just checked my U2U's, and no new ones are there. Would it have made a difference if I had said what he was drinking? C'mon.... after all the stuff I've seen on ATS in a similar vein, I've seen no other posts like yours in a thread, and I've had no other warnings of this type from anyone else.

I appreciate ATS being here, but it's not like you or I live or die by it's existance. If you get the approval of the other Mods I'll leave... no biggie. Free speech doesn't apply to the ATS? I wasn't overtly offensive, as mentioned in the post standards, and in either case I see nowhere in the Bill of Rights where it says someone has the "right" to not be offended.

[edit on 18-1-2006 by zappafan1]



posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 04:49 PM
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Was the warning for us not to get high while posting? or not to accuse others of smoking? because sometimes I am positive some folks are on good hallucinigenics...



posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 06:52 PM
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".... Was the warning for us not to get high while posting? or not to accuse others of smoking? because sometimes I am positive some folks are on good hallucinigenics."

Possibly both.. I don't know.... I'm guessing the accusation. But I agree with you.



posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Well Muadibb is many scenarios as why the increased concerns of a nuclear attacks.


Marg, I don't think you understand what I am trying to say. If you read the article, there is no mention of how and why this man is saying these things. My "guess" is that he was asked direct questions about the possibility of a nuclear attack, or other forms of attacks in the U.S. by the Brittish newspaper.


Originally posted by marg6043
First we most see what is going on right now in the middle east.


It is not the first time that Iranian authorities, from the Revolutionary forces in Iran which the present president was part of, have said that they already have chosen targets in the west and are only waiting for a signal from their president to make such attacks.



Originally posted by marg6043
US is becoming increasingly direct to the situation with Iran.


Many countries have become involved with the situation in Iran. i am not so sure how long many of these countries will stay the course of action they say is needed to resolve this problem.


Originally posted by marg6043
I will not be surprised that US decided to take over the problem in Iran and target their nuclear plants.


That I know of right now the only country that is targeting the nuclear plants in Iran is Israel. Could the U.S., with given time and if nothing is solved with talks, decide that it is time to deal with Iran in other ways? yes, but I think Israel is not willing to wait as long as the U.S. is willing to wait, simply because the lives of many, many Israelis is at stake.

The only country that is talking about attacking Iran, and according to some newspapers are getting ready fighter bombers to attack Iran is Israel.


Originally posted by marg6043
But in order to do that with the unhappiness of the American people about what is going on in Iraq he needs to win support.


I never believed those "polls" in which 2,000 people are interviewed and the results are presented as "the voice of 293+ million Americans."


Originally posted by marg6043
Then we need to understand that Al-qaida is still deemed a thread, but the reality is that the whole middle east population has never been friends of the US and never will that makes all of them possible enemies of the US.


That's not true Marg. Radical islamists are the ones who "have never been friends of the U.S.



Originally posted by marg6043
So yes as long as US has enemies around the world we can have the possibility of having another attack.


Every country in the world has enemies for one reason or another, so the U.S. will most certainly have enemies "always," and nomatter what the U.S. does.



Originally posted by marg6043
Now look at the situation with south America, because US is busy in the middle east it has forgotten to keep alliances with the government of South America and many of them are turning into communist countries like China for support.


That conflict is coming sooner or later no matter what the U.S. does, because there are those people around the world who are still trying to spread the "revolution" around the world, most of which are communist/socialist countries and are trying to "proclaim that the revolution is the only way to save the planet and the people." Which is the same BS that all communist dictatorships the world has/had, have proclaimed.

[edit on 18-1-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 10:30 PM
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....... I almost thought I had written your response. 8^) The matter of Iran is indeed an upcoming isssue, but America has let the U.N. and E.U try to do things the way of negotiating and probably soon appeasement, but you know as well as i that it just won;t work. The Iranian leader is as crazy as a barking moonbat, and he will have to be dealt with eventually.
I'm hoping not, though, as there are many, many people, mostly young people, who would like to see Iran as some form of secular democracy, and if we, and a coalition attack, it might turn the heads of some of them. However, there will be those who understand.
War is never the first response, but never in history has peace been the outcome of anything but victory.... that's just the way it is.



posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by zappafan1

".... The US economy needs to get stronger and our debt under better control."

REPLY: What??? The economy is going through the roof, and the national debt is only 3.5% of the GDP. Do the research.



I've been following the news and did some research. Your neck of the woods may have a good economy but I have seen tens of thousands of people suddenly become unemployed in the last 2 years. I've seen and read about thousands of technical jobs getting outsourced overseas. Many if not most people believe the US economy is becoming a service economy. I believe that is bad news. The national debt used to be shrinking but it has increased by another trillion in the last few years.
www.federalbudget.com...

China may be getting ready to consider dumping a bit of their almost one trillion dollars in US reserves or currency they have saved. However as this information was pointed out and many other excellent details in this thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...
especially Springer's post about half way down, our economy is sitting a bit precarious with all of the borrowing, outsourced jobs and manufacturing base that we have lost.

Our unemployment rate is probably higher than it is reflected in the numbers because people have stopped looking and aren't counted.

Fighting terrorism needs to include a plan to keep the economy growing strong and we don't need another war. Setting ourselves up with massive foreign borrowing where China can clobber our bond market (read thread link above if you want more details) is not a sign of a very healthy economy. If our government knows of any planned WMD attack, I sure hope they do all they can to stop it. If you really want to get simple IMHO, if someone or a country is borrowing more and more money to keep things going, their financial house is not in excellent order.

Edited note: I don't want to paint a bleak picture for the US economy since things are going better I believe now than 2 or 3 years ago. I'm just saying the overall health of our economy should be an important factor in the fight against terrorism and that I do not believe the US economy is sitting as rosy as some might think it is.

[edit on 18-1-2006 by orionthehunter]



posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by zappafan1
....... I almost thought I had written your response. 8^) The matter of Iran is indeed an upcoming isssue, but America has let the U.N. and E.U try to do things the way of negotiating and probably soon appeasement, but you know as well as i that it just won;t work.
.........................
War is never the first response, but never in history has peace been the outcome of anything but victory.... that's just the way it is.


I agree with you zappafan, uh oh, I think we opened a whole new can of worms... Do you know how many members are going to start emailing each other and saying "they both work for the government, they both work for the government"?.....


Some of them might even claim we are one and the same person.....


Anyways, back to the topic, i hope the situation with Iran is solved, and soon, because we know that Israel is not going to take any chances of being "wiped off the map."

I do not like wars, and I do not wish them upon anyone. I wish there were ways to solve everything without them, but wishes are not reality, and that is something that a lot of people don't seem to understand.

It is true that violence begets more violence, but what are you going to do? Let your enemies destroy your family and you without a fight? That's not an option imo, but some members around here believe it is an option....

[edit on 18-1-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 11:24 PM
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".... I've been following the news and did some research. Your neck of the woods may have a good economy but I have seen tens of thousands of people suddenly become unemployed in the last 2 years."

REPLY: Yeah..... like Ford, and you can thank the unions for that. No.. the economy is doing very well indeed; one cannot judge locally as to how "the American economy" is doing. I've followed economics for over 30 years... many job losses over that period can be attributed to better manufacturing techniques and higher productivity-per-worker.

".... I've seen and read about thousands of technical jobs getting outsourced overseas."

REPLY: You can thank (pre-tax rate reduction) high taxes and the poor quality of education for the outsourcing. On the other hane, we've been outsourcing jobs for over 20 years. Currently we outsource about 6 million jobs, but the number of jobs insourced is close to 20 million.

"....Many if not most people believe the US economy is becoming a service economy. I believe that is bad news."

REPLY: True.

"....The national debt used to be shrinking but it has increased by another trillion in the last few years."

REPLY: Yes... on more and more Socialist/Marxist programs; I'm pissed at the Republicans for that. However, the current national debt is only 3.4% of GDP, which is quite manageable.

".... manufacturing base that we have lost."

REPLY: See above as for the reasons for that. However, foreign car companies, and other industries, still come here to build their factories, and employ Americans, when they could quite easily go to other countries and pay less for labor. They will always come to where their money is treated best.

".... Our unemployment rate is probably higher than it is reflected in the numbers because people have stopped looking and aren't counted."

REPLY: Pure speculation..... one cannot suppose those things, and must use the unemployment figures, and the way they are determined, as they always have been. Also, 43 million NEW jobs since 2000.

".... If our government knows of any planned WMD attack, I sure hope they do all they can to stop it."

REPLY: We're doing what we can... and people complain about it, but that's another thread (or two).

".... If you really want to get simple IMHO, if someone or a country is borrowing more and more money to keep things going, their financial house is not in excellent order."

REPLY: Foerign investment has always been with us, and hasn't hurt us yet.

Thanks for the reasoned post.



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by zappafan1
....... I almost thought I had written your response. 8^) The matter of Iran is indeed an upcoming isssue, but America has let the U.N. and E.U try to do things the way of negotiating and probably soon appeasement, but you know as well as i that it just won;t work.
.........................
War is never the first response, but never in history has peace been the outcome of anything but victory.... that's just the way it is.


I agree with you zappafan, uh oh, I think we opened a whole new can of worms... Do you know how many members are going to start emailing each other and saying "they both work for the government, they both work for the government"?.....


Some of them might even claim we are one and the same person.....


Anyways, back to the topic, i hope the situation with Iran is solved, and soon, because we know that Israel is not going to take any chances of being "wiped off the map."

I do not like wars, and I do not wish them upon anyone. I wish there were ways to solve everything without them, but wishes are not reality, and that is something that a lot of people don't seem to understand.

It is true that violence begets more violence, but what are you going to do? Let your enemies destroy your family and you without a fight? That's not an option imo, but some members around here believe it is an option....

[edit on 18-1-2006 by Muaddib]


REPLY: ".... Do you know how many members are going to start emailing each other and saying "they both work for the government, they both work for the government"? Yeah...... when do YOU get your check anyways? HA HA HA Ha. I know WE don't, but Iwonder about Souljah sometimes..... just kidding. By the way, I have a few links about Cuba I'll have to remember to send you...



posted on Jan, 25 2006 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by orionthehunter
.............................
I've seen and read about thousands of technical jobs getting outsourced overseas. Many if not most people believe the US economy is becoming a service economy. I believe that is bad news. The national debt used to be shrinking but it has increased by another trillion in the last few years.
www.federalbudget.com...
...........................


I think part of this has to do with the inability of many Americans to do certain jobs, even technical jobs. I know of several Americans who have quit working for the oilfield industry as Field Engineers because of the long hours we work. Sometimes we work for 30 hours, sleep for 4 hours and then work the next day for about 20 hours.

Normally when we work in the northwest we have to stay in a rig for 2 weeks to over a month and a half or longer with no days off, not many people can stand this kind of job. In Colorado things are easier as we don't have to stay in the rigs, we just set up our equipment, and come back to the job to troubleshoot our electronics or rig down whenever is necessary. We just spend a couple hours in one rig and go work in another, then we let the DD (Directional Drillers) do the rest of the job. That's how it should be in the northwest also, but it works differently up there for some reason. I think DDs are spoiled in the northwest.

I have read and seen people proclaim that the whole world hates the U.S. and people are trying to leave the U.S., yet in my line of work I find people from many countries, who have engineering degrees, coming to work in the U.S.

I am at this moment in Rifle, Colorado, because this region is in need of MWD engineers, at least for now. I just spent 4 days with a Parisian woman in her 20s, she never wanted to tell us her real age, who came to the U.S. to study, and after finishing her engineering degree, she is going to stay in Sugarland Texas to work in the oilfield industry.

She is extremely smart, and very beautiful btw.
Imagine 4 former U.S. military personnel working with a very beautiful French woman, lol. You don't see a lot of beautiful, and smart women with french accents at the same time, working in the oifiled industry.

What really strucked me as strange is that we were explaining something to her about GPS, something which not many people know about but which is not a secret, and she just blurted out "but terrorists could use that against the U.S." She was right, and all 4 of us agreed with her.

Right there and then I realized, I should say she reaffirmed my belief that not all "Europeans" or "smart ones at that" think that "terrorism is just an excuse made by the powers that be as some people claim."

I have met with people from all over the world, very smart people, and they still come in droves to find work and live in the U.S., even people who come from European countries, despite all the things that I read some people claim in the internet about "the world hating the U.S.."

BTW, there are a lot of jobs right now in the oilfield industry for fairly smart people who have any kind of engineer degree, if anyone is looking for work.

We have employees who have from mechanical engineering degrees to chemical engineering degrees and every other engineering degree there is.

They also need MWD Specialists, if you have some sort of technical background they will hire you on the spot as long as you want to work long hours and anywhere where you might be needed, every company seems to be doing this right now.

I have seen them accepting people from all ages, even people in their 60s, and I have been told some are even older. That's how bad we need people to work in the oilfield industry in the U.S.

[edit on 26-1-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 01:01 PM
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..... ah... you lucky dog... meeting a French person with some common sense; a true rarity indeed. 8^) Now... if only I could find those links about Cuba I was going to provide you.....
I WILL find them.....



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by Sauron
if this goes anywhere I betcha the Bushcons are going to try and tie it to Iran


Oh, you know he will. We'll be there in no time.



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 10:00 PM
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I thought the "terrorists" already had anthrax........that's why we went into Iraq. if they were as chummy as some would have us believe, why was the taliban struggling to develope their own anthrax. surely their buddy hussain would have shared with them, wouldn't he???

let a lier go on long enough, they'll start tripping over thier own lies.....lol!!!

[edit on 16-2-2006 by dawnstar]



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 03:20 PM
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And on the note of anthrax, anyone that didn't keep updated with that whole thing should know that the Washington Post, among others, reported that the anthrax was traced back to a U.S. military plant. And yes, the US was (and probably still is) breaking international treaty by producing the weapon.

So that wasn't Iraqi anthrax, or from boogie-man Osama, but a US bio-weapon. It was all pinned on one dude, whom the FBI would later admit they had no real dirt on as far as the anthrax went, and that was that. If they had successfully blamed that on Saddam or Osama though, I'm sure you'd still be hearing about to this day, just as you do 9/11 and Berg and all that other crap they pull out of their asses to feed our eyes and ears.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
And on the note of anthrax, anyone that didn't keep updated with that whole thing should know that the Washington Post, among others, reported that the anthrax was traced back to a U.S. military plant. And yes, the US was (and probably still is) breaking international treaty by producing the weapon.

So that wasn't Iraqi anthrax,


actually... if it was American Anthrax strain... then i would strongly lean towards Iraq, as we would have given it to them during the iran iraq war... afterall, we almost gave them frikin nukes...



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 03:50 PM
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OMIGOD THEY'RE COMING RIGHT FOR US!

Panic panic panic. Tape up your windows. Hide in your root cellars. The turrorists are coming to eat your babies! Be afraid of an anthraxx attack even though you're unclear as to what it does or how!


...

This would all be so hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
actually... if it was American Anthrax strain... then i would strongly lean towards Iraq, as we would have given it to them during the iran iraq war... afterall, we almost gave them frikin nukes...


I'm not aware that we gave them nukes, but I suppose we could have given them anthrax. I think we did give them sarin gas missiles, or something similar, and when we invaded, the only WMDs we found were those missiles, still laying around in junk heaps from the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980's.

Washington Post mentions their article here but I don't know if it's actually still up on their site.

Here's a copy, and here's another. Doing a Google search for the article's title should give you additional sources.

The article says that the US has been maintaining stores of anthrax since the 1980's, but then also suggests that the anthrax found was more recent (ie, "Dugway is also the only facility known in recent years to have processed anthrax spores into the powdery form that is most easily inhaled," emphasis mine).

I suppose it could have been from Iraq; I don't know enough on the subject to personally confirm or deny whether that would have been possible, but from the media reports and actions of the government, it seems they weren't in a hurry to expose Iraq as being behind it. They dropped that suggestion pretty early in the game, even though it's known that the Bush Admin had plans for Iraq before they were even in power, you know?

This belongs in a different topic, but it could stand to be investigated a little more I guess. Or maybe it has and I'm just not looking hard enough.

In relation to Iran, or the next big terror attack, I wouldn't count on it being genuine. I've researched and read enough by now to be suspect of anything I see or hear or read or whatever from either the gov or the mainstream media. If they came out tomorrow fessing up to everything they've lied about in the past, I would probably assume there to be some angle behind it from which they would still somehow make a gain. They're careful with what they tell you, and show you, and thereby lead you to believe. They want you to experience just the right things for you to want what they want, so that they can do what they want without much backlash. What they don't want to expose you to, you'll never hear or see in anything close to a fair light on any mainstream source. Even when you appear to be presented with options on "major," "controversial" issues (democrat politics, republican politics; pro-life, pro-choice; pro-gay marriage, against; etc.), the solutions reached are either ultimately irrelevant (ie, what party you vote for) or else are distracting completely from what you SHOULD be addressing. That's just how it works when the same corporations behind the media also control our government from the inside out.




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