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How many wintesses say they saw a plane hit light poles?
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Craig Ranke CIT +7 more
posted on Oct, 23 2007 @ 02:25 AM link quote reply 757 impact proponents are quite fond of regurgitating mainstream media reports with zero
research, analysis, confirmation, or investigation.
Considering that 9/11 was a psychological attack with the media being the weapon of choice this is inherently suicide in the pursuit of truth.
Typically the same lists are published over and over by people like Jim Hoffman, Eric Bart, and most recently Arabasque.
CIT has shown you why we can't trust a lot of these suspect witnesses and why it's so important to seek out previously unknown witnesses if we want to
find the real truth.
Due to the north of the citgo evidence we focus a lot of attention on the light poles and see them as the key physical evidence proving an outright
deception on 9/11.
So this thread is meant to examine all known witnesses who allegedly saw the light poles get hit.
Of the known alleged light pole witnesses Stephen McGraw, Joel Sucherman, Chad Brooks, and Mike Walter have all personally confirmed with us that they
did NOT see the light poles get hit and only deduced it from seeing them on the road.
Arabesque has the most comprehensive list of alleged light pole witnesses with a total of 22. Scroll down to the part that says "Witnesses described
the plane hitting lamp poles and objects". (he says "and objects" because a few describe things that were not hit at all.)
CIT has pointed out errors to him in the past that he has refused to correct and we have always maintained that there is only ONE previously published
account where the witness is quoted specifically claiming that she literally "saw" the light poles get hit by the plane.
I will now address each of the witnesses he presents in order to explain how the information Arabasque asserts is false and downright deceptive in how
it is presented.
1. “It was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down.”
Mark Bright. Pentagon police officer who was at the guard shack. Does NOT claim to have witnessed the impact OR the plane hitting the poles.
Mentioning the downed poles is not the same as seeing the plane hit them.
2. “He said the craft clipped a utility pole guide wire.”
Utility pole guide wire? He does not claim to have seen the plane hit any light poles and no "guide wire" was hit. In fact he is not even quoted about
this but he IS quoted seeing the plane "bank" which contradicts the official flight path and SUPPORTS the north side flight path. Arabasque is 0 for
3. “Penny Elgas stopped as she saw a passenger jet descend, clip a light pole near her.”
Penny also does not claim to have seen the plane hit the poles. Arabasque is not quoting Penny. Why is he deceptively attributing this quote to Penny
in his analysis? He is 0 for 3.
4. “The plane approached the Pentagon… clipping a light pole, a car antenna… It clipped a couple of light poles on the way in.”
Lee Evey was the Pentagon renovation manager. He was not a witness to the plane, the attack, or the light poles. He was at home at the time of the
attack. This is EXACTLY why Arabasque's "research" is so damaging. He does ZERO fact checking and simply copies and pastes words provided for him by
the complicit mainstream media. We have pointed this fact out to him in this thread and he even acknowledged it and promised to correct his mistakes
in this post over 4 months ago! That means he is knowingly pushing disinfo which is an assault on truth and a slap in the face to real researchers.
5. “Next to me was a cab from D.C., its windshield smashed out by pieces of lampposts.”
Don Fortunato. Nobody denies the cab and pole were on the road. Don does not claim he saw the plane hit the pole, the pole sticking out of the
windshield of the cab OR the cab driver removing the pole. He is 0 for 5.
6. “[she saw] a low-flying jetliner strike the top of nearby telephone poles.”
Kat Gaines was on 110 and would not be able to physically see the plane hit the poles. Once again Arabasque is not quoting Kat Gaines. Without a
direct quote AND confirmation of that quote he is not citing evidence but citing mainstream media deceptions. Besides....no "telephone poles" were
downed at all. He is 0 for 6.
7. “It hit some lampposts on the way in.”
Afework Hagos is not claiming to have SEEN the light poles get hit. We can't find a trace of this person existing at all but regardless.....simply
mentioning the poles is NOT evidence that they literally saw the plane hit the poles. We know that a lot of people saw the poles on the ground and
deduced that they were hit. He is 0 for 7.
8. “[the [plane flew] over Ft Myer picking off trees and light poles near the helicopter pad next to building.”
Like Lee Evey, Tom Hovis is not a witness, he was in his office...8 miles away from the Pentagon. He was not present during the attack. He was
reciting what he believed he learned about the flight path of the plane. Once again Arabasque has proven how inaccurate the disinformation is that he
is publishing online.
9. “[he watched the plane clip] the antenna of the vehicle immediately behind him. It also struck three light poles between him and the
Don Mason was a Pentagon Renovation worker that is one of 3 PenRen workers cited in the ASCE report. Because of this he is a VERY suspect witness but
once again.....he is not even quoting Don Mason. And even still...the mainstream media reporter Arabaque is quoting STILL doesn't say that he "saw"
the plane hit the poles. He is 0 for 9.
10. “The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my
Arabasque KNOWS that we did an interview with opus dei influenced priest Stephen McGraw. He KNOWS that we have posted this entire interview online for
the entire world to see. He KNOWS that McGraw specifically told us and the world that he did NOT see the plane hit the poles despite the fact that he
was allegedly right in front of them. Therefore Arabasque is once again caught deliberately disseminating disinformation in support of the official
story. How can he do something so malicious and harmful to truth?
11. “I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles.”
Do I even have to address this? Kirk Milburn was not in a position to see the poles and he does not even claim to have seen them. We spoke with his
son who told us that Kirk died in a motorcycle accident a couple years ago.
12. “As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light
pole down on Hwy 110.”
Terry Morin was at the Navy Annex parking lot where you CAN NOT see route 27 or the light poles. You can't even see the Pentagon due to the steep
decline. He does not even claim to have seen the light pole get hit. Arabasque is 0 for 12
13. “The tail of the plane clipped the overhanging exit sign above me.”
Vin was one of the reporters in the USA Today Parade. No "overhanging exit sign" was hit and he does not claim to see the plane hit any poles.