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Iran’s Nuclear Programme [Including the Paris Accord]
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The E3/EU recognize that this suspension is a voluntary confidence
building measure and not a legal obligation.
Originally posted by ArchAngel
Why is it that as soon as you drag out the official documents the Neo-Cons run for cover.
The Author of the original article was right.
Iran does not now have the capability to produce nuclear weapons, and it may be years before they are capable if it were their intent, and the IAEA were not looking in on everything....
In its June 1 report, the IAEA said Iran had not come clean until April that it bought parts for advanced P-2 centrifuge parts, which can be used to purify uranium in both nuclear power plants and weapons. This week, Iran produced a tape of the Iranian businessmen who imported the parts telling the IAEA of the purchase in January.
......................................."We would note that up until May the official position of the Iranian government was that had not imported P-2 centrifuge parts, and the director general's report also indicates not until May that Iran acknowledged for the first time details about seeking to procure 4,000 magnets with specifications suitable for P-2 use," he said. "So even though you had an Iranian telling the inspector in January that they had tried to buy magnets, that they had bought P-2 magnets, the official position of the Iranian government, the denials of the Iranian government continued all the way through May."
Washington Times
Banking on the IAEA to prevent Iran from weaponizing its nuclear program is like having the keystone cops guard Kort knox.
Originally posted by ArchAngel
Why is it that as soon as you drag out the official documents the Neo-Cons run for cover.
The Author of the original article was right.
Iran does not now have the capability to produce nuclear weapons, and it may be years before they are capable if it were their intent, and the IAEA were not looking in on everything....
IAEA inspectors collecting environmental samples at the Natanz site in mid-July found traces of enriched uranium. This report may not be conclusive. The enriched uranium was apparently found only in a single sample,
Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDropI want a question answered.....why the hell is every other country allowed to have nukes except Iran?
Exactly. Iran wont have nukes for years, people, if indeed they are trying to make one.
Dont get me wrong here, I dont support Iran attacking people with nukes, im saying that Im not so sure they want to attack people with nukes....
If you are in an argument, and everyone around you had a gun but you didnt....wouldnt you want to have a gun too? Youd feel defenseless.
Id feel real helpless if i was Iran right now. They dont have nukes or anything. Yet all the people making threats against them do.
For the record, I wanna point out that the only country ever to use nuclear weapons in warfare is the United States of America.
If Israel/America attacks Iran. Its over. Iranians futures are over. The bombings and sanctions will make sure of that.... just like in Iraq.
The same thing is happening over and over, and we just sit there and cheer them on in their slaughter.
''GO USA!! Go and kill some more! I'm not coming though!''
We criticize those who speak out against the slaughter.
History is repeating itself. Those who dont learn from it, are doomed to repeat it.
Originally posted by ludaChris
I wasnt hiding, I was visiting my grandmother. And I'm no neocon, I call them like I see them, with a smidge of a conservative tilt I will admit. Thats not the heart of this issue, the issue is Irans pursuit of nuclear weapons.
And what they are doing is against legally binding accords signed in Paris in 2003.
Originally posted by makeitso
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Indeed, the the IAEA has become a joke to the whole world. But the joke does not stop at the IAEA doorstep. The Security Council, and the U.N. in general have failed repeatedly at their missions.
Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDrop
Exactly. Iran wont have nukes for years, people, if indeed they are trying to make one.
I want a question answered.....why the hell is every other country allowed to have nukes except Iran? Dont get me wrong here, I dont support Iran attacking people with nukes, im saying that Im not so sure they want to attack people with nukes....
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Originally posted by duncanidaho
Iran will not nuke Isreal unless they use a neutron bomb. They will however use covert means using suitcase small nukes and Hamas, PLO, or Osma and Co. and play innocent. Like it or not we are at war with the Islamofacists. We should have acted when Iran invaded us years ago and Oil would be cheaper. However, this is not what the Oil barrons want folks.
Originally posted by ArchAngel
That was NOT the issue I was addressing, and I quoted your own words so that there would not be confusion.
You said:
And what they are doing is against legally binding accords signed in Paris in 2003.
The statement was false, and I presented the official documents as evidence.
YOU are trying to change the subject of the thread.
The idea the media is promoting that Iran has somehow broken a binding agreement with the IAEA is false.
As far as any evidence has shown Iran is currently in complete compliance with all binding international agreements including the NPT.
As far as any evidence has shown Iran is years away from developing nuclear weapons even if all efforts were turned towards it, and the IAEA inspectors were kicked out of the Uranium Enrichment Facilities.
Iran is not an immediate nuclear threat, and they have every reason and every right to develop nuclear energy.
Originally posted by ludaChris
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They very well may be years away from being able to make a bomb, but does that change the fact that a bomb is exactly what they are after. There is no practical use in a nuclear energy program to need 50,000+ centrifuges, there is simply no practical need for that many in a peacful program But anyhow, the evidence lies not in what is reported, but Irans actions themselves, playing the same stalling games North Korea was and is still playing. In my mind, it isnt very bright to sit back and take someones word, and wait for Iran to do the same thing that NK did and withdraw from the NPT, then its too late. They are playing the game exactly the way, to a T, that NK has played it, and to me thats a scary thought.
The Iranian Gas Centrifuge Uranium Enrichment Plant at Natanz
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To be fully self-sufficient in the production of low enriched uranium for an installed capacity of 6,000 megawatts of electricity, Iran would need an enrichment capacity of about 600,000 separative work units (SWU) each year. The two underground structures at Natanz do not appear large enough to achieve this enrichment capacity, but Iran may be trying to provide a significant fraction of this anticipated capacity over the next two decades. Based on a combined surface area of about 60,000 square meters, these enrichment halls are crudely estimated to be able to hold about 50,000 centrifuges, where each centrifuge requires on average roughly one square meter of floor space. Substantially more centrifuges could be located in the halls, particularly if the centrifuges are packed more tightly or stacked vertically. If each centrifuge has an enrichment capacity of up to 5 SWU per year, the total capacity of this facility when finished is estimated to be up to 250,000 SWU per year.
playing the same stalling games North Korea was and is still playing.
Originally posted by ludaChris
But when you have their president spouting the crap he does, would you trust that man with a nuke? Not to mention their Revolutionary Council, who are no better, but just sit back and let their little puppet take all the blame while they pull the strings and tell him what to say, problem is, I think Irans President believes what he says, and that is not a country that needs nuclear weapons.
What about Irans interest in heavy water reactors, kinda sketchy is all I'm saying, and all the info you need on that is in my post at the top of this page. I even posted photos of their heavy water facility, its in powerpoint so if you dont have it you wont bee able to see it.
Nuclear Power Reactors: A Study in Technological Lock–in
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Not only is the LWR used almost
exclusively in the USA today, but this type, based largely on technology developed in the USA, is being used
for about 80 percent of all the reactors built or under construction in the world today.”1 While an appropriate
decision at the time, it now seems that light water may have been an unfortunate choice. One of the interesting
features of this history is the belief held by many that light water is not the best technology, either
economically or technically. The evidence in support of this belief, while not incontrovertible, is strong
enough to support the contention that light water is not the superior technology. This suggests that other
technologies should still be present in the market.
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The average annual load factors of light water and gas graphite
reactors have been approximately equal at 63 percent. Heavy water reactors, however, have had an average
annual load factor of 73 percent.
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Hugh McIntyre estimated that the heavy water Candu reactors at Pickering generate power at about 75
percent of the cost of the light water reactors of equivalent size at the Zion 2 generating station in Illinois.15
This is consistent with analyses done by Ontario Hydro, which suggest that if Ontario Hydro had a mature light
water reactor program, the costs of nuclear electricity would be 20 to 25 percent higher than with the current
heavy water systems.
Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDrop
You're missing the point, Luda.
I havent seen substantial proof that Iran is building them in the first place. In fact, the Iranian President has said that they dont want nukes at all. If he is lying, which he may be, then it doesnt neccesarily mean they will attack people with the nukes.
In the second place, why should everyone else be allowed to have them except Iran? Even North Korea is allowed to have nukes, and they have openly threatened the United States. Why not go after them? (Thats coming up next, dont worry)
We all have heard the weapons of mass destruction fable about Iraq, which they admit was a lie. What makes you think your government wouldnt lie again?
Originally posted by ArchAngel
There are many reasons for developing Heavy Water Reactors including safety, cost, efficiency, and natural Uranium fuel.
Heavy water is the key to one type of reactor in which plutonium can be bred from natural uranium. As such, the production of heavy water has always been monitored, and the material is export controlled. In addition, a source of deuterium is essential for the production of tritium and 6LiD, two ingredients of thermonuclear weapons. A nation seeking large quantities of heavy water probably wishes to use the material to moderate a reactor, and may be planning to produce plutonium.
The importance of heavy water to a nuclear proliferator is that it provides one more route to produce plutonium for use in weapons, entirely bypassing uranium enrichment and all of the related technological infrastructure. In addition, heavy-water-moderated reactors can be used to make tritium.