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This makes me sick to be an American

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posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by DaFunk13
I would only say that we should all reserve comments until we see a GOOD documentary on Cuba. I mean an privately funded vacation/documentary like my old prof did. Then we can post judgement

Whether the documentary is privately funded matters not. As FF has said. it's how honest the documentary is allowed to be that matters. Can you ask whomever you want, what you want to ask, and are they allowed to answer without reprisal?

How many countries do you know where the people are not permitted to leave whenever they want to? To leave, they must risk their life. Doesn't that tell you something about the country?

On the other hand, the US can't keep people from entering it illegally.



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posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 07:39 PM
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This makes me sick to be an American


What does? Not being able to go to Cuba? All you have to do is go to Mexico and then go to Cuba from there. They are nice enough in Mexico not to stamp your passport that you are going to Cuba. And when you get there, please stay! (it may be hard to get back to Mexico anyway).

Are you a Communist? I mean, it's okay if you are...but maybe you belong in Cuba! Or perhaps some other Communist country. Lovely places.

I was going to rattle off a bunch of reasons why you are nuts, but plenty have done a good job of that ahead of me. I think you should just go and find out for yourself. I mean, what do we all know? We're just a bunch of freaks on a conpiracy website.



posted on Jan, 26 2006 @ 05:54 PM
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The doc mentioned above is very good and I highly recommend it for anyone who wants to know what Cuba is really like.

Sorry, did someone up there post a message saying that Cuba is the devil because it won't allow its people to carry guns???

How many children go into Cuban schools and blow other kids/teachers heads of... Now, ask the same about the US... I rest my case.



posted on Feb, 1 2006 @ 01:37 PM
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that is one thing i have to admit i haven't thought of.... that is so awesome man you are great, i totally agree with you ugh........ i am gonna puke because of this and me being american............................
if you voted for bush: WHY???????????

--YOURS TRULY--

cooldude76



posted on Feb, 28 2006 @ 09:57 AM
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Bush - I NEVER voted for Bush, where did you get that idea from???



posted on Feb, 28 2006 @ 10:17 AM
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What does a Bush vote have to do with anything?

Bush has nothing to do with Cuba. Hell, I bet Bush can't tell you who was in charge before Castro. Bush just accepted the anti-Cuba torch from Clinton. I doubt any of them can honestly justify the continued embargo. We are only hurting the Cubans, and the few of us Yanks who would love to have a good cigar, or a new vacation spot.

Is Castro's brand of communism really that bad? It seems to me like the US Gov't deals with much worse leadersevery day. We can all buy stuff from Saudi Arabia right?



posted on Feb, 28 2006 @ 12:23 PM
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When Castro made his deal with the devil, how long did the devil give him? That old bastard needs to die, soon.

The only thing that makes me sick is that we never took Castro out.

Watch out for a Venenzuela takeover when Castro croaks. This would be a great opportunity to crush socialism if Chavez sticks his nose in this.



posted on Feb, 28 2006 @ 12:50 PM
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And what deal is that Carseller? To organize an armed resistance against a terribly oppressive leader? To be a savior to a pretty big group of people? You dont have to like his policies, but you should be more versed in the way Cuba was prior to our devil-dealers little revolution.

And what is so bad about socialism...in your own words?



posted on Feb, 28 2006 @ 01:05 PM
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15 years after the fall of the Soviet Union, why do people remain so irrational about Communism? I could understand it, while not approving it, during the Cold War, but why now?

The OP linked a documentary that pointed out certain objective facts about Cuba today, viz:

1. Cuba has no extremes of wealth and poverty, which is what socialist countries all say they strive for but few have actually achieved.
2. Cuba has basic medical care and high-standards education free for all its citizens.
3. Cuba's human rights record in terms of political (rather than economic) rights is deplorable by advanced-world standards, but not by developing-country standards.

The documentary and the OP both have suggested that the continuing embargo against Cuba is boneheaded and ought to go.

How have people responded?

"If you love Cuba so much why not move there!"
"Hey, just don't try to be gay in Cuba!"
"Castro invited the Russkis to put nukes there!"

But neither the OP nor the documentary was either comparing Cuba to the U.S. (favorably or otherwise), or saying that Cuba is a perfect paradise. They were just saying that we are making mountains out of molehills here, that Cuba isn't bad enough to justify extreme measures like 50+ years of embargo, especially when the Cold War justification for those measures (such as it ever was) no longer exists. So those responses were totally irrelevant and inappropriate.

Really, if detailing the few things Cuba does better than the U.S. (like health care and education) sends some Americans into that kind of a tizzy, I'd say we have a bit of guilty conscience and defensiveness at work here. That Cuba does a better job with health care and education than we do, doesn't make it a better country overall, it just means there are a few things it does better than we do. Well, hello!!! It's a socialist country! OF COURSE it does a better job of providing basic economic rights than we do! That's not because we don't have the means, it's because we don't try!

OTOH, the U.S. does, or at least did, a far better job than Cuba of respecting basic political rights and civil liberties, because we're a democracy (or used to be recently and may be again soon), and Cuba isn't.

Cuba isn't a paradise. As developing countries go, Cuba is far from a monstrosity. Those are facts that any clear-eyed, non-defensive, rational person can easily verify. The Cold War is over. Whatever justification the embargo ever had is gone. It should be lifted.

Of course, I know the two real reasons why it isn't. One, Cuban exiles living in Florida tend to hate Castro and react badly to efforts to treat Cuba rationally, and Florida can be pivotal in presidential elections. And two, Cuba is a Latin American country that has committed the cardinal sin of favoring its own people's economic welfare over the profits of U.S. corporations. Can't let that example go unpunished, now can we? See Allende of Chile, Sandino of Nicaragua, or the current government of Venezuela.



posted on Feb, 28 2006 @ 01:41 PM
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(insert applause for previous post)

Bravo...thanks.

I am still waiting to hear from the other guy on how/why socialism is so "EVIL."



posted on Feb, 28 2006 @ 04:41 PM
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Socialism makes people less reliant on themselves, and more reliant on government.

Look at Hugo Chavez, he is trying to install all these social programs to get people reliant on goverment. At the same time he is building up his military and is trying to stack the Argentinian Supreme Court.

Adolph Hitler did the same thing. Franklin Roosevelt did his best, but thank God the United States has a Constitution.



posted on Feb, 28 2006 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4
Socialism makes people less reliant on themselves, and more reliant on government.


Not really. It simply directs government aid and attention towards ordinary people. In a capitalist system, in practice (not in theory), government aids and helps out the wealthy instead.

I guess you could say that a capitalist system forces anyone not rich enough to qualify for government aid to be "reliant on themselves," but usually what that means is that it forces them to do without.



posted on Mar, 1 2006 @ 08:07 AM
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Thanks for that great description. "Reliant on Gov't." Are you not reliant on your government? Are you living in the woods snaring rabbits, boiling drinking water? We are all reliant on our gov't, my friend. I dont like it either, but anarchy doesnt sound too appealing what with the complete decay of morals and values.

If making the standard of living better is evil, then Chavez is guity as charged, but I know quite a few Venezuelans that are pretty happy being able to afford decent health care, good homes, good education, and less crime. Sounds very evil.



posted on Mar, 1 2006 @ 11:17 AM
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I was in Cuba recently. It is a dictatorship, but you get free medical care and education and are garunteed a job. Everyone earns the same money.

To the Americans who say, 'if you don't like america, get out'. You, sirs, are morons and are what gives Americans a bad name. People are allowed to dicuss Cuba w/out being bad-mouthed by idiots.



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 06:04 AM
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There was some chap in other thread wanting to USG to occupie and free suffering cubans.
Meaning as common practice by USG, bombing Cuba to stoneage and putting some right-wing puppet dictator and his paramilitary torture and slaughter squads in charge and giving all valuable business to american megalomaniac companies, I think.

USG has bullied Cubans about 50 years, don't you think it's enought?

God save us from american aid, I would choose the suffering.



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 07:18 AM
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HooHoo, you Cuban?

I would love a Cuban to defend his country so I dont have to. Or at least defend it if you are proud of it. The Cuban guy I work with cannot post his comments because his english is not too hot, but he has been over my shoulder for some of this. All he says is that we should all go on vacation there.



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by DaFunk13
HooHoo, you Cuban?

I would love a Cuban to defend his country so I dont have to. Or at least defend it if you are proud of it. The Cuban guy I work with cannot post his comments because his english is not too hot, but he has been over my shoulder for some of this. All he says is that we should all go on vacation there.


No, sorry my english is not so good so I sometimes mess with meanings.
I'm from Finland but I have some cuban friends and we write once and while.
They are worried, and I am too about their future and USG happiness to stoneage bombings.
There are more and more turists from Finland too visiting in Cuba. I haven't been there yet but perhaps some day....



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 01:54 PM
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Two Steps Forward, that was a great comment.

I think we need to put things into perspective, is Cuba really that bad? I don't think so.

Some of the stuff in this documentary is pretty strong, but even the bloody prostitutes and rappers are articulate in Cuba, where else do ya see that?



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Question Truth
OK, there is a island just 90 miles away from us which has none of the history of death squads and paramilitary murders which plaques the rest of South America. It has sent doctors all over the world to cure the sick free of charge. It can protect its citizens from extreme hurracaines (unlike us). Its people have advanced education levels which we can only dream of. Unlike the rest of the continent, it is not littered with homelessness and famine. It has managed this with 45 years of economic embargo from the most powerful country on earth. And it is ILEGAL for us 'free' Americans to visit.

This country is.... CUBA

Please, I beg all you considerate Americans out there to see this documentary, we must educate our population as to the repugnant acts of our government.

Trailers:

www.ricenpeas.com...

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[edit on 15-1-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]


None of the history of Death Squads? What dillusional world are you living in?

Castro murdered thousands in his great "purge" after taking power; including close friends he thought didn't share his ideology.

Castro invaded other countries including Bolivia (Che's martyrdom) and Southwest Africa (now Namimbia).



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
A lot of Europeans travel to Cuba on vacation and as far as I'm aware it is not illegal for Americans to travel to Cuba. There are just limits on how much money they can take with them.


I live in America and I'm sorry to burst your bubble, Ace, but it is illegal for Americans to visit Cuba. Has been for quite awhile. If you're caught, the U.S. govt will fine that person heavily.

-Forestlady




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