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This makes me sick to be an American

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posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 08:28 AM
OK, there is a island just 90 miles away from us which has none of the history of death squads and paramilitary murders which plaques the rest of South America. It has sent doctors all over the world to cure the sick free of charge. It can protect its citizens from extreme hurracaines (unlike us). Its people have advanced education levels which we can only dream of. Unlike the rest of the continent, it is not littered with homelessness and famine. It has managed this with 45 years of economic embargo from the most powerful country on earth. And it is ILEGAL for us 'free' Americans to visit.

This country is.... CUBA

Please, I beg all you considerate Americans out there to see this documentary, we must educate our population as to the repugnant acts of our government.


mod edit: all caps in title

[edit on 15-1-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 10:43 AM
But they have no toilet paper.

posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 10:43 AM
If you think it's such a wonderful paradise ... get the heck
out of America and go live there.

BUT .. don't speak out about anything. Don't expect
free elections. Don't expect freedom to worship God as
you please. And for goodness sake ... don't end up
in jail for any reason.

You'd best not be homosexual either. The Cuban
government doesn't 'put up with' homosexuals.

WHY do you think the people ESCAPE Cuba and
risk shark infested waters to come to America?

OAS Inter-American Commission on Human Rights Reports on Cuba

Cuba, Colombia lead Americas in rights abuses. Cuba and Colombia
lead Latin America in human rights abuses, the first because
of the broad scope of government repression, and the latter for
its bloodshed ...

Continuing Human Rights Abuses in Cuba

Cuba. Members of the security forces and prison officials
continued to beat and abuse detainees and prisoners,
including human rights activists. ...

Human Rights Watch: Cuba: Human Rights Concerns for the
61st Session of the UN Commission on ... Human Rights Watch
has been monitoring human rights conditions in Cuba for more ...

Cuba and Human Rights - Global Issues

BBC NEWS | Americas | Cuba rights censure sparks uproar
The UN Human Rights Commission has passed a motion censuring
Cuba for human rights abuses - by a single vote.

State Department Report on Cuban Human Rights Abuses.
US Department of State. Cuba Country Report on Human
Rights Practices for 1998 ...

Human rights in Cuba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Castro took control of Cuba in 1959, allegations of widespread human rights abuses ... Cuba's constitution of 1976 makes human rights
subservient to the ...

[edit on 1/15/2006 by FlyersFan]

posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 10:48 AM
Its ironic. It's well known that Cuba has one of, if not, the best beeches of all of the gulf of mexico, but is one of the poorest countries in the Americas.

I'd say hopefully when castro finally dies (what is he like 150 now?
) Maybe a new leader will try to give the country some democracy..untill then, I would take a vacation there.

posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 01:45 PM
There will be no response from Questiontruth. I agree with Flyersfan that if you think it's such a great place, escape to cuba yourself! I'm sure you'd be about the only American escaping to Cuba, so it shouldn't be too hard. And if you get caught, you get to spend time in one of their lovely prisons!

posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 02:19 PM
A lot of Europeans travel to Cuba on vacation and as far as I'm aware it is not illegal for Americans to travel to Cuba. There are just limits on how much money they can take with them.

posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 03:24 PM
Add this to the list of US govt SCREW UPS....

posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 12:00 PM
Not to refute FF's links, but they are all from American Sources. I think the truth about Cuba lies in the grey area. I work with a Cuban at each of my jobs. One was forced here during the "invasion", and the other moved here to start a business. They both cite some human rights violations, but both speak wonders about median income.
As far as the human rights goes...we have homeless aplenty stateside, so we cant bash Cuba too much. As far as burning books, we just remove em. I think until the embargo is lifted, and we are allowed to vacation, and communicate more freely we will all be forced to sift through the bs in search of our own conclusions.

posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 01:36 PM
You seen the documentary? It by no means applauds Cuba for everything, it is actualy pretty critical with some aspects. You talk about Cuba and Human Rights, how many cases of torture/dissapearance/asassination of journalists has there been in Cuba over the past 45 Years. Then ask the sasme of Colombia who the US support with huge $. In fact, Cuba is one of the only countries in Latin America not to have any death squads supported by the government.

As for Americans being able to travel to Cuba, just ask William Blum who has had a travel application for Cuba rejected by the US.

My advice is, just watch the doc and it will open your eyes.

posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 02:18 PM
I had an old college professor who made a documentary about Cuba, but I cant even remember the guys name for the life of me, and I contacted the school to track him down, and he moved to Spain with his wife.
He echoed the same sentiments. Cuba has been given a bad rap. It is by no means perfect, but he said numerous times that if he could visit anywhere on the planet for a yearly vacation it would be Cuba. According to him, it is pretty hard to vacation there from the States, even if you are a college professor doing a documentary. He was turned down twice.

I am going to check this one out as well.

posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 02:23 PM
I don't know what you mean about cleanest beaches.
My old roomate when swimming in those waters and came back w/ a really bad, stinky infection in the nether regions.

It's makes me sick to know that theirs american's in this country that favor cuba and castro over america and it's principles.

Sure the government is over bloated and become too centralized w/ it's power, but we (unlike the cubans) have the right to dissent and protest.

They can't own guns, they can't express their sexuality, prostitution is rampant in that country because the market isn't open and free like it is here.

So like Flyer's fan said, pack your bags and apply for residency in cuba, don't forget to take your broom.

posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 02:29 PM
I just want to clarify that I definately prefer America to Cuba. I just stated that I have been told it is a beautiful country, with beautiful people, and that their shortcommings have been exaggerated. I have never been there, so I dont have much opinion, but I dont doubt that the US Gov't has twisted and skewed the way Cuba really is.

Just wanted to clear up my position.

I Love America

posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 02:47 PM

Originally posted by DaFunk13
I just want to clarify that I definately prefer America to Cuba. I just stated that I have been told it is a beautiful country, with beautiful people, and that their shortcommings have been exaggerated. I have never been there, so I dont have much opinion, but I dont doubt that the US Gov't has twisted and skewed the way Cuba really is.

I'm not sure how American gov't portrays Cuba, I do know that my mother goes there on vacation and my old roomate went there a couple of times (to reunite w/ a man she was going to marry and bring back to canada).

Cuban's are very nice people, they have a rich culture, the people aren't the problem.

It's the government. The people are oppressed, from what my friend and mother have told me, they get treated like second class citizens. Meaning they are on a lower rung then the tourists.

These citizens have to go dumpster diving to eat scraps, they get the privelage [/saracsm] of using used up soap to clean themselves with.
Their water is filthy to shower in, it stinks, and people are afraid to mention Castro's name.

When my mother was talking to a resident of cuba, everytime he would talk about him, he would have to stroke his chin to refer to castro (cuz castro has the long beard). They are not big fans of Castro.

And I get after my mother every time she says shes going there, because it's people like her that encourage that government to continue to treat the citizenry the way they do. It's dispicable.

The butt of the economy depends on tourism, if tourists would STOP going there, castro and the government would have to find some other way to bring in money and fill their pockets.

However, the last thing on their mind is creating a good economy for the cubans to live in. It's all about tourism baby, and the citizen's are getting screwed.

posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 02:49 PM

Originally posted by DaFunk13
Not to refute FF's links, but they are all from American Sources.

I think you'll be hard pressed to find some honest
sources from Cuba .. considering that they are
living in a regime that doesn't allow freedom of
speech, religion, sexuality, press, etc. etc. etc.

posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 02:53 PM
Except perhaps an outsider making a documentary?

posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 03:00 PM
If outsiders are given free access to everything ... and I mean
completely free access and freedom of the press to interview
whom ever the wish ... and those people are free to express
themselves without fear of recrimination ... and freedom to
go where ever they wish ....

that's a lot of 'if's' Dafunk ...

posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 03:31 PM
I also forgot to mention that all the books in Cuban book stores are only socialist and communist ideologies when it comes to politics and government.

They have the communist manifesto but they have nothing on capitalism.

Their knowledge is limited to only socialism, and Odium wants to live in a socialist country.

Go, be free Odium!

posted on Jan, 18 2006 @ 03:35 PM
Cuba sent communist agitators to africa and the rest of south america and funded guerilla armies in both, invited the soviets to bring nuclear missiles to hurl at the United State's population centers, and maintains such a strangle-hold on their public that people are willing to use their cars as boats to escape the place.

'Merka must be doing something right.

posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 09:01 AM
I would only say that we should all reserve comments until we see a GOOD documentary on Cuba. I mean an privately funded vacation/documentary like my old prof did. Then we can post judgement

posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 09:08 AM
DaFunk ... I understand what you are saying. Look at the 'new'
information' kind of thing, right?

There is sooooooooo much information already available at this
point that making a judgment if a very safe thing. The horrid
human rights records are very well known. The government
sponsored destruction of anyone homosexual is very well
known. The prison situations are very well known. The
suppression of freedom of religion, sexuality, education,
speech, and the press is very well known.

It's all been documented. The sources are the people
themselves who suffered through it and escaped so that
they could speak freely - something they couldn't do in

Sure, it's a beautiful place - an Island in the beautiful blue
ocean waters ... palm trees swaying slightly in the breeze
.... and so on. BUT ... the politics make it a purgatory for
the people and that's why they risk shark infested waters
and death to come here to be free.

Even with private documentaries done in Cuba, the people
are AFRAID to tell the truth on camera. They get hauled
off to jail ... to reeducation centers ... or even killed off.
Cubans don't tell what's going on in Cuba, until they get
to freedom (here).

Sorry DaFunk ... but there's enough information from first
hand sources to be able to judge the place.
Cuba gets a
from me. Sorry.

[edit on 1/19/2006 by FlyersFan]

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