Freedom: Property ownership and eminent domain, page 1
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Topic started on 15-1-2006 @ 01:04 AM by LoganCale
Please note: I searched for related topics but was unable to find any. I apologize if a similar thing has been posted. I also apologize if this is in the incorrect forum. I attempted to find a more suitable forum and was unable to, so I posted it here.

Recently it has occurred to me that the United States is not a particularly free country. For this post I'd like to focus mainly on property ownership and also eminent domain, which relates to property ownership.

Property ownership is a pretty big thing in America. We're proud of the fact that we can possess our own property. Once you pay off the bank loan and the ownership is fully transferred into your name, it's yours. You own it. But is that ownership really worth anything? You still have to pay property taxes, which is essentially a rent on your own property. If you stop paying property taxes, you get fined. Eventually, the government will take the property from you.

How is that ownership? If it's yours, that means it's yours to do what you want with. You shouldn't have to keep paying the government to let you use it. I'll follow up on this momentarily with eminent domain but first...

...I should interject here that I am not necessarily opposed to all taxes. The country probably needs certain reasonable taxes to continue functioning. But I digress...

Eminent domain is defined by Wikipedia as "the power of the state to appropriate private property for its own use without the owner's consent." Traditionally it has been used for such things as roads, city parks, baseball stadiums and other things the government deems "for the public good" (although I'd say roads are the only things in the above that are really for the public good) and has been often used when property owners don't want to give up their property, regardless of the money being offered to them.

More recently, however, it was ruled that property can be taken if the government thinks it can be better used by someone who will have a greater chance of giving them a higher tax profit. That is... unbelievable. I don't have any other words for it. I actually just read an article on a similar case a few minutes ago, which prompted me to write this. In this case, the land was actually seized before this new ruling - it was going to be used to construct a public building but now that the government owns it they decided to sell it back to another business. One that makes campaign contributions to the city leaders. Here's the
article.

So now we're back to where we were above. If the government can decide on a whim that they're going to take your property and give it to someone else, then it's not yours. It's their property and they're renting it to you. So they need to stop pretending it's ownership or start acting like everyone else. If they want to build a road through my property and I don't want them to, there's nothing they can do. They can make an offer and if I refuse, they walk away and can't do a damn thing other than build the road around it. If it's any other way, then it's not ownership and we are not free, and it's as simple as that.


reply posted on 15-1-2006 @ 10:37 AM by LoganCale
Originally posted by Echtelion
Originally posted by LoganCale

Property ownership is a pretty big thing in America. We're proud of the fact that we can possess our own property. Once you pay off the bank loan and the ownership is fully transferred into your name, it's yours. You own it. But is that ownership really worth anything? You still have to pay property taxes, which is essentially a rent on your own property. If you stop paying property taxes, you get fined. Eventually, the government will take the property from you.


On that, I think you're misinterpreting things a little. A property tax is just another measure by governments to take financial contributions from citizens to finance services, projects and the government itself. They are imposed on people's head -and with not much legitimacy by the way- based on the fact that they are CITIZENS and that they must give a financial contribution each year for benefiting from government services. The government is actually defending your property, because since property is based on nothing else than arbitrary power over landmass (or everything else that we can put a property tag on) and this landmass was first taken over for redistributing as property, then you're paying for the retroactive service the government made to pick a piece of land for you and defend it on your behalf.


Oh, I understand the reasoning and I know it's not literally a rent - however, if they can take the property from you when you don't pay, it's not much different, really.

And I understand that taxes are needed to keep the existance of the country, the problem is that there are just too many of them. Nearly everything is taxed these days. I wholeheartedly support working on cutting government spending and then establishing a single, unified tax (I haven't decided yet if sales or income would be a better thing to tax) in addition to a few sensible "optional" taxes - the money from licensing your car should pay for the road maintenance in your area, commercial imports/exports should all be taxed, and so on.
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