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posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 03:52 PM
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This sounds like extreme Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or some variation on it. You might want to discuss this further with a psychiatrist. Good Luck.



zef

posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by toraylin
I really dont want to go in depth here for respect for you and your well being but will explain further if you want understand that it would be
somewhat how can i say disturbing and cryptic.


Toraylin,
I want to understand; I am open to what you have to say, however disturbing and cryptic.

Zef

El Dude---I have seen several different psychiatrists. I am not disturbed by the phenonmena, in a way I am happy about it since I've mourned their loss now for several years. It is a kind of sweet sadness for me when it happens but not a negative.

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posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 05:11 PM
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i think it is just your conscience .



posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 05:31 PM
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In regards to the ghosts.As they were starting to live their souls started to grow as they were aborted so to speak.Now I believe that this was probably not easy if not at first it seems to be now.

Their souls or ghosts seem to be stuck within the limbo of exsitence without living life.Due to creating scenarios and such and perhaps dreaming about what could have been.Im not saying you do this but.

They are caught in death and life.A form stuck in such a state can easily go stagnant.The longer you hold onto your babys lives with such guilt and greiving you will create a very negative continual process in which your life and interactions with your children may become quite cryptic resulting in their voices filling your head perhaps and it wont be your children anymore or even what they could have been remember that energy expands and retracts changing shape and form.

If you do tend to imagine lives for them the shades may take on age aswell and turn into grown versions of your children.My advice is work towards letting go with the past and your ghosts.Or they might end up
haunting you for the rest of your life.......



posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 05:33 PM
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I have never heard this one before, but I know of mothers to be visited by their unborn children before birth.

The soul of the unborn will never enter the body that is never to be born and become a human being.

Life is breath into the body after birth.


zef

posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043

Life is breath into the body after birth.


That's very convenient.


zef

posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 05:40 PM
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Quote:"If you do tend to imagine lives for them the shades may take on age aswell and turn into grown versions of your children."

I do. I have named them as well. Their sexes were revealed to me in a very powerful supernatural experience.------------www.kimsstory.com



posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by zef

Originally posted by marg6043

Life is breath into the body after birth.


That's very convenient.


"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul"

--- Genesis 2:7


It wasn't my convenience but God's convenience as by bible words. A soul have not need to be in a body that is not to be.

Now, this a forum on the paranormal not for anti abortion it seems to me that. . . . that is exactly what is going on.

If is paranormal information you want about unborn children visiting their expecting mothers I have tons of experiences including mine.

They are not ghost they are souls.



posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 07:10 PM
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The aborted babies are no longer babies where they are. They are no longer helpless and small and unable to speak. Their complete thoughts are communicated as well (actualy better) than our own in our adult'ness'. (lol - for lack of better word)

What you have is a terrible need to be forgiven... to forgive yourself. The babies are ok now.



posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 07:15 PM
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That is my point a soul that is never born is without sin so why he or she should be bound to earth?

Is not reason for that soul to be punished with been earth bound just because the vessel is destroyed.

That will be a very cruel punishment for a God to give on an Innocent soul that will never experience the original sin.



posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 07:31 PM
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The babies are not bound to earth. I am a bit uncomfortable with the term 'bound' to begin with in these kinds of conversations, because the word iself implies that one would be stuck or forced... The spirit or energy that is said to be bound to earth actualy has a choice.
But the babies - no, they are not bound to earth. There are times, as with any other at any age, that they may be here for us, but not stuck, enslaved, forced...



posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by AngelaLadyS
But the babies - no, they are not bound to earth. There are times, as with any other at any age, that they may be here for us, but not stuck, enslaved, forced...



I agree with you, I have my experiences and they are many I know what goes on.

When you see babies or "Spiritual babies and children" is about joy no sadness never sadness.


zef

posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 07:36 PM
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posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 07:37 PM
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I had a miscarriage about 18mths ago......and it was the most horrendous time of my life. I can accept it "wasn't meant to be".....and thats ok.
I think about the soul that I was supposed to bring to this world very often. I think that focussing on that 'soul' can keep it around you......even if that is not what is meant to happen.

Sometimes, its better for them, if you let go. Even when its the hardest thing in the world to do. Then again, there are times when it is THEM that won't let go. I cannot imagine how difficult that must be to deal with.
Wanting to let go, but not being able to.


zef

posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by AngelaLadyS
The babies are not bound to earth. I am a bit uncomfortable with the term 'bound' to begin with in these kinds of conversations, because the word iself implies that one would be stuck or forced... The spirit or energy that is said to be bound to earth actualy has a choice.
But the babies - no, they are not bound to earth. There are times, as with any other at any age, that they may be here for us, but not stuck, enslaved, forced...



I have never thought of them as bound. In truth, I didn't give them much individual or personal thought for over 15 years. Some things happened in my life that triggered my mind to go to them. I was very very sad for a while---almost suicidal, but I got some counseling and I went to Confession with a very blessed priest. At times when my mind and heart are very close to them, I have felt them.



posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 07:46 PM
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Hang in there Zef, you are right on a number of fronts in what you say.

Its not the BODY, the so called "size of a bean" (yeah right) that is what you are experiencing, but the spirit of the child. The child is alive before birth as their spirit is alive.

The child's spirit is STILL alive after the abortion, and still with God. Obviously there is some leeway about where the spirit of the child resides, and obviously they can visit their mother.

Congrats on such a deep post, I think some here do not really understnad the signifigence of what you are trying to say.


zef

posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 07:50 PM
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As a Catholic (I became Catholic in the wake of all my post-abortion angst 3 1/2 years ago), I believe that I have 3 little saints in heaven and I have ask them to forgive me. And since they are saints, I can ask them to pray for me and my family.

In Catholic mysticism, it is not uncommon for saints to materialize and revisit people on earth. I wouldn't call this a haunting because it sounds so negative. But it is a visitation with folks who have passed on to the other side.

I do not wish to forget my aborted children, and I welcome their visitations which are only once in a blue moon. Even Buddhism allows for a ritual to memorialize and ask forgiveness from an aborted child---it's called Mizuko.



posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 07:53 PM
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This is a hard thing to try to explain. You don't have to worry about 'making them stay around' really. But I know exactly what you mean, and I do try not to call out or be needy of them in sorrow, and that can be hard.
It is best to let go and always remember them with joy and not pain. When you truely love a person, it is ok and good to remember and love them. It's good for them and us.
I often had to tell myself and the person I missed that I was selfish in my morning and missing them and that I want THEM to be happy and in the best place for them... and that ment them NOT dwelling here with me and that I was ok with that ... no matter how much I didn't like it, that for them I want the very best.


zef

posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 08:09 PM
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Thank you Ang.

I don't really mourn anymore, but it's like I still have a need to "mother" them. And I don't want to forget them. They have visited me in dreams in their age appropriate forms. Sometimes I meet young people who remind me of them.

You know I probably sound like an obsessed nut---I'm really not. I have a very full and happy life with a job I love, a great husband and 2 great kids. But I want to keep extending my love to these forgotten children that no one else wants to acknowledge but me---especially since I came to acknowledge their existence and personhood. I am of very sound mind and the little kicks are real.

Marg Quote:"If is paranormal information you want about unborn children visiting their expecting mothers I have tons of experiences including mine."

I would love to hear your stories Marg.


Net Chicken Quote:"Congrats on such a deep post, I think some here do not really understnad the signifigence of what you are trying to say."

Thanks Mr. Chicken!

I would like to thank this site for giving me the opportunity to talk about this very personal subject for me. Given the controversiality of the abortion issue and the fear of people thinking I'm a paranormal nut case, I haven't been able to discuss this with anyone.


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posted on Jan, 16 2006 @ 08:17 PM
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A sister of mine has had three abortions in the past five years or so. I'm not proud of this, and neither is she. But I remember her waking up at night, asking about a baby crying. This happened on several occasions. She dismissed it from lack of sleep, but the crying wouldnt stop. Sometimes she'd wander around outside even, just looking for the source.



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