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NEWS: 1000's Of Tribesmen Protest Against Alleged US Zawahiri Air Strike

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posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 10:31 AM
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Anybody find a Non US news source regarding this incident - something a little less unbias? If i search the net, the top listings only show US and UK news source like it has flooded the internet...



Here is one source in english language:




Pakistan Observer - Islamabad

When asked to comment over reports that the Al-Qaeda deputy leader Aymen al Zawahiri may have been killed in the incident, he said we have no information in this regard.

Interior Minister Aftab Sherpao said a number of the dead appeared to be foreigners �possibly involved in sabotage activities.

Most of the bodies were charred.� A US intelligence source speaking on condition of anonymity told AFP here that the CIA had indications that a top militant might have died in an attack by a US drone.

�The CIA has indications that a high-level Al-Qaeda operative was killed by a Predator strike in Bajaur.

The target was a cluster of three houses owned by a jeweller named Abdul Ghafoor, whose nephew�s children and female relatives were among the victims, resident Waheed Gul said by telephone. The nephew was for hajj pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia.

A second Pakistani intelligence official told AP that the remains of some bodies had �quickly been removed� from Damadola after the strike and DNA tests were being conducted, but would not say by whom. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to journalists.

The official said that hours before the strike some unidentified guests had arrived at the home of a tribesman named Shah Zaman.



an other source:





Military spokesman Major-General Shaukat Sultan said he did not know the cause of the blasts, but added: “People heard explosions and as a result, there were a number of casualties. My information is that 11 to 14 people have been killed.”

An official source said two aircraft had come in from Afghanistan and fired two or three missiles.

“The casualties may be much higher. People are very angry. They are not allowing access, so exact figures of deaths and wounded people are not available,” he said.

Damadola has been a stronghold of Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi, a pro-Taliban group banned by Pakistan in January 2002.

Members of the group might be involved in attacks on U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan
and the missile strikes might have been launched in retaliation, some sources viewed.



[edit on 15-1-2006 by Riwka]




posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:09 AM
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And as you can see, only reports of deaths on innocent individuals.. no confirmed kills to terrorist..

also, DNA test will find what exactly? unless DNA of these individuals is already held then what can the information be matched up to in order to confirm who these individuals are? Am I to assume that all terrorists have had their DNA taken by the US before conducting terror acts? Do the Pakistani authorities have regular use of DNA testing within their investigative units and also access to DNA information regarding known terrorists?

If any authority turns around and says "yes.. this individual killed in the blast was a terrorist, I would like to know on what basis this was established because I am baffled that unless they were able to tell by sight (which they would not if they feel the need to conduct a DNA test) if this individual(s) was a terrorist then I have to question the process.

[edit on 15/1/06 by Klepto]



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:17 AM
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only reports of deaths on innocent individuals



No.

That is wrong.

Please read the sources again, especially the things I marked in bold.

Furthermore, There are more local sources avaliable. Just google them.



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:21 AM
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This was said by the author of this thread -

What we do know is that 5000 people living nearby have protested. Who can blame them?


Answer - They have only themselves to blame. If they weren't
harboring terrorists, there wouldn't have been a bombing.
If they don't take seriously the consquences of harboring
murderers, it's their own fault.



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:27 AM
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What we do know is that 5000 people living nearby have protested. Who can blame them?




Answer - They have only themselves to blame. If they weren't
harboring terrorists, there wouldn't have been a bombing.
If they don't take seriously the consquences of harboring
murderers, it's their own fault.


What? The whole country is responsible for the actions of a few?

You are aware that there are terrorists in the US and many other countries, right?

WE (the US) harbored the terrorists who brought down the WTC. Are you responsible for that?


[edit on 15-1-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:28 AM
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Answer - They have only themselves to blame. If they weren't
harboring terrorists, there wouldn't have been a bombing.
If they don't take seriously the consquences of harboring
murderers, it's their own fault.


Yes, excellent answer

Maybe us Brits should of done that when dealing with IRA members in West Belfest. Just bomb the place...

Get policy



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:28 AM
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I did read the bold and nothing is confirmed, only speculation..


the CIA had indications that a top militant might have died in an attack by a US drone


as I said.. nothing confirmed...

what does it take to get an iota of common sense around here? I mean, I already asked about the DNA - matching it to WHAT exactly!



[edit on 15/1/06 by Klepto]



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:36 AM
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Subz said -


a) National borders are henceforth not recognized
b) Innocent civilians can be put to death for the actions of others
c) No proof is needed before executing some one


Subz -

a) Terrorists have never recognized national borders They USE our
borders against us. They hit and then hide behind them. There is
no 'henceforth' ... the borders have never been recognized by
terrorists.

b) Terrorists have been murdering innocent civilians all over the world.
They blame the deaths of those civilians upon the actions of governments
and other individuals. On 9/11 3,000 INNOCENT CIVILIANS were
murdered by terrorists who claimed the innocents were justified targets.

c) Terrorists had no proof of any wrong doing by the innocent
civilians and others before murdering people on 9/11
and in all the other terrorist hits. Also, they execute people
who are obviously innocent - aid workers... cruelly beheading
them. Children on their way to Disney World and pregnant
women working in an office building were murdered by terrorists
on 9/11. Where was the 'proof' of their wrong doing ??

The terrorists seek out innocent people and murder them.

However, any civilians who died in this bombing were not
sought out by America to be killed. If they were people
who were aiding and hiding terrorists .. then they are
NOT innocent civilians, are they? Nope. Not at all. They
make themselves legitimate targets.


[edit on 1/15/2006 by FlyersFan]



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:44 AM
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BH said

What? The whole country is responsible for the actions of a few?

We didn't bomb the whole country.
We bombed where the
terrorists were. If those harboring the terrorists died too...
then they are to blame. Personal responsibility. You harbor a
terrorist, then you take a chance of getting yourself blown up.
It's that simple.


You are aware that there are terrorists in the US and
many other countries, right?
Duh.


WE (the US) harbored the terrorists who brought
down the WTC. Are you responsible for that?

No we didn't. We harbored no one. They lived among us
and we didn't know it. This can not be said of the bombing
in Pakistan. The tribal area knows exactly what is going on.
They know exactly who is among them. They officially give
'refuge' by their tribal leaders and religious leaders.
BIG difference.

[edit on 1/15/2006 by FlyersFan]



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:46 AM
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However, any civilians who died in this bombing were not
sought out by America to be killed. If they were people
who were aiding and hiding terrorists .. then they are
NOT innocent civilians, are they? Nope. Not at all. They
make themselves legitimate targets.


another non nonsensical quote...

I hope a terrorist moves in next door to you.. I wonder if insurance pays out on your house if it becomes a 'legitimate target'..

if they were knowingly aiding terrorists then fine, but how can you be sure of this?



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:49 AM
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No we didn't. We harbored no one. They lived among us
and we didn't know it. This can not be said of the bombing
in Pakistan.


These terrorists live among them.. they may not have known..

surely your comments are meant to be a joke...

like I said in previous posts, this appears to be a case of one rule for them and another rule for us and I quote George Orwell again..


'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others'


I am not anti-West, just anti Hypocracy.

[edit on 15/1/06 by Klepto]



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:51 AM
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Klepto said

unless DNA of these individuals is already held then what can
the information be matched up to in order to confirm who these individuals
are? Am I to assume that all terrorists have had their DNA taken by the US
before conducting terror acts?


There are two things to discuss here.

DNA of UBL's relatives have been taken. If UBL or his terrorist sons are
killed in the bombing, we will know. We have his brothers DNA on file.
It was freely offered by them when they were in Boston. The brother's
DNA is close enough to UBL's that we'd be able to figure out if it were
him, or his sons.

Also, the GITMO prisoners DNA were taken. Hundreds have been
released. Of those released, many are showing up again on the
battlefields fighting against Americans. So yes, there are hundreds
of DNA samples taken of terrorists who have spent time in GITMO
and other American/Coalition military prisons.







[edit on 1/15/2006 by FlyersFan]



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:56 AM
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Klepto said

These terrorists live among them.. they may not have known..

Already addressed Klepto. Life in the tribal areas is NOT like
life here. The tribes are VERY aware of what is going on in
their areas. They give permisison through their religious
leaders and those in charge. NOTHING happens in their
tribal areas that they are not aware of. You are judging
by Western standards .. expecting life to be like it is here
instead of what life is like out there. It's very different.
Go read up on the tribal areas of N.W. Pakistan.


surely your comments are meant to be a joke...

Grow up Klepto.



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:56 AM
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Also, the GITMO prisoners DNA were taken. Hundreds have been
released. Of those released, many are showing up again on the
battlefields fighting against Americans. So yes, there are hundreds
of DNA samples taken of terrorists who have spent time in GITMO
and other American/Coalition military prisons.


Sorry, i was not aware of this.. can you provide me a source that states this as being accurate?



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:58 AM
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Wait...

So if a terrorist lives in my town, a man who I have never met or spoken with than it is fine for my family to be killed by the United State's? Because clearly I am harboring a terrorist...

That makes perfect sense, now I see why the United State's is held to such high reguard when members of its population call for the murder of innocent women and children.


That'll surely stop those terrorists...



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:59 AM
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So are we to assume that meetings take place that inform all people in the villages that an individual of this importance is visiting the village? How is it you come to be so aware of what these tribes actually do?



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 11:59 AM
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Klepto said -

I am not anti-West, just anti Hypocracy.

Well, then you are anti-every-government-on-the-planet, and you
are anti-every-religion-on-the-planet. Which is fine by me. Just
be sure to be equal opportunity anti-hypocracy. Otherwise you
fall into the hypocracy trap yourself. The tribes of N.W. Pakistan
are full of it ... hypocracy that is.



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 12:01 PM
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Also FF, I was not aware that Aymen al Zawahiri was related to Bin Laden?



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 12:03 PM
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They give permisison through their religious
leaders and those in charge. NOTHING happens in their
tribal areas that they are not aware of.


can you provide me evidence to show this is correct also?

I am sure only those that are required to know actually know, not the others in the tribe..



posted on Jan, 15 2006 @ 12:04 PM
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there seem to be view by some in this thread, the view that the arab/isreal annimosity should be embraced in the u.s.......eye for an eye, somebody you probably knew, killed somebody i probably know, so i should kill you....'cause it's only fair... i know people who have broken the law...does that mean i should be arrested for knowing a criminal?

..'well, if you harbor terrorists you deserve to die and everybody that dies in a u.s. strike is a terrorist because my daddy...err, i meant the govt said so.' if that is what the govt really thinks, why don't they go after other terrorist groups? ohhhhhhh, sorry i didn't know al queda was the only terrorist group that the u.s knew about.

dna tests......wouldn't they need dna on file in order identify the dna of an individual who is now dead?? would they have dna on these 'suspects'? if they did, how did they get it? well, i guess if they did work for the AMERIKAN govt, they probably do have a dna sample...................................



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