posted on Sep, 30 2003 @ 08:35 PM
The next Pope I think will run along the lines of this one. Pope John Paul II just elected some bishops to Cardinalship. As you know it
is the Cardinals that vote for the next Pope. Mario Derksen has a really good article about the Pope and the Antichrist and the seventh day adventists
that propagate that the Church is the Whore of Babylon in Revelations or Apocalypse:
"Well, our Savior Jesus Christ had, when He was on earth, pretty much the same accusations to deal with. He was driving demons out, and so some said
He was doing this by the power of the devil. What did Jesus respond? Let me quote it for you:
And after he had called them together, he said to them in parables: How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that
kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan be risen up against himself, he is divided, and
cannot stand, but hath an end.
In other words, Jesus responded that if He were of the devil, He could not drive out demons, because that would not work, for "a divided kingdom
cannot stand." Satan would be destroying himself in the process.
Now, listen to this: The Catholic Church drives out the devil, too. This practice is called "exorcism." You can't deny that the Catholic Church has
been doing exorcisms on people and really driven out Satan that way for nearly two millennia. Therefore, we must reason just like Jesus: if the
Catholic Church were of the devil, it could not drive the devil out. For, as Jesus said, "A divided kingdom cannot stand." The Catholic Church,
however, has been standing for nearly 2,000 years. Jesus refuted the argument that He is of the devil by saying that Satan could not stand then, and I
claim the same about the Church. If the Church is wrong, then so was Jesus. But if Jesus is right, then so is the Church.
This now is my quick response to any and all arguments of the SDAs. There is no need for me to refute any other argument as long as there is no
qualified and effective counter-response by the SDAs.
As a last point, the Bible plainly tells us what kind of person the Antichrist is: 1 John 2:22: "Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father and the Son." SDAs would have to admit that the Catholic Church does NOT deny the Father, or the
Son, or the Holy Ghost--just browse through any Catholic catechism.
So there is twofold proof that the Catholic Church, per Scripture, cannot possibly be the Whore of Babylon, nor the Pope the Antichrist.
Now, Adventist apologist Michael Scheifler has responded to this challenge by quoting Matthew 7:22-23:
Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
And he [the Beast] shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand or on their
foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. He
that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six.
Now, this is my challenge to SDAs, or rather, to all those who believe the Catholic Church to be the Whore of Babylon and the Pope to be the
Prove to me that you fall into the category of "he that hath understanding"; show me why you are the one that has the wisdom that is mentioned in
He claims that this proves that the mere fact that the Catholic Church drives out Satan doesn't prove that she is of divine origin. But here he is
presupposing that the people who claim that they drove out demons in Jesus' name really did so. But the text does not make this clear. It only says
that they claimed that. Jesus never confirms their claim, however. So we do not know whether they actually really did cast out demons or only engaged
Another possibility is that these folks really did do all those authentic and miraculous things at one point in their lives, but failed to endure to
the end. Here we do well to remember Ezechiel 18:26: "When the just turneth himself away from his justice, and comitteth iniquity, he shall die
therein: in the injustice that he hath wrought he shall die."
It seems, though, that the first interpretation is correct, as Christ specifically says, "I never knew you."
Either way, Michael Scheifler's interpretation is not necessary, and so we can dismiss his claim to having answered the challenge."