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Originally posted by John bull 1
Could you please change the title. It's far too misleading.
And please don't use full caps in a title.
[edit on 13-1-2006 by John bull 1]
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Therefore there is an immediate need to educate to mankind on what to do should an abduction occurs. Perhaps, a token from the experience, a phrase from the abductors on the planets which can be verified through astronomy, etc..
Originally posted by grasshopper
It is interesting that he asks for both points of view. That is a plus. Somebody went looking for the star map drawn by Betty Hill. You need to check this person out. Not Betty Hill, but the people who claimed to have found it. What other kinds of claims has this person made before? Get my point? I've never checked it out. So I may be wrong.
"A quote from the December 1974 issue of Astronomy Magazine reads: "The pattern discovered by Marjorie Fish has an uncanny resemblance to the map drawn by Betty Hill. The stars are mostly ones that we would visit if we were exploring from Zeta Reticuli. The travel patterns make sense."
Originally posted by Ycon
IMO these creatures are not extraterrestrials, even though they may be residing on other planets. Their origins are from in and around earth. They have been around since before man, before the earth was formed.
They are fallen angels and demons, spiritual beings with vast knowledge and abilities from a higher plane of existance. Demons can possess bodies may they be animal, insect or human. Fallen angels can take any form and appear as a relative of yours, if they wish.
Originally posted by nullster
I take abduction cases with a grain of salt. I would put abduction cases in line with a very religious/faithful person getting a stigmata. A person of devout belief can bring on their own physical lesions and bleed.
With abductions I see it the same way. There is an overriding, openess/willingness to be taken in. It doesn't have to be fervant belief, but the acceptance that such an event can occur.
grasshopper replies: I take what I hear by people who investigate ufo cases with a grain of salt. If they aren't some kind of counterintelligence then they are somebody looking for fame much of the time. Many people looking for fame are "believers". Somebody comes along and claims to have discovered the star system spoken of by Betty Hill then you should take that person with just as much a grain of salt as the person who claims to be abducted. I don't think your other statement is correct either. I don't think most people who are abducted wished for such an experience. I think there are a lot of people who don't get abducted and who claim to have been abducted wish for such an experience. They don't know what they're asking for.
Originally posted by rdube02
Thanks for your response. I actually prefer responses from skeptics because I find that they are more grounded...if you know what I mean. I guess deep down maybe I'm a skeptic - but personally see a pattern that I believe points to something real. I just wish that the "loonies" (for want of a better word) wouldn't muddy up the water so much.
grasshopper replies: they are counterintelligence. If someone says there are germans at the north pole then you'll shortly see a story about germans at the south pole. I can spot these guys pretty quick. That's because they have done this sort of thing to me for a very long time. Many times what they say, the exact opposite is the truth. Other times they take a few things, or maybe one fact, and change it just a little and still the rest of it from you. It is hard to say that they are with the government or not. But I'm certain the government knows the kinds of things, like eavesdropping, that they are doing and do nothing about it. The media is full of these kinds of people. You are never given the real truth if you listen to shows like Coast to Coast. The only kinds of guests that appear on this show are fakes and usually into eavesdropping. It's just one hoax after another with these guys. There is some good info on Linda Howe's website, "Earthfiles.com" It costs money. And even she doesn't seem to spot the counterintel guys and posts there stuff as well. I don't know anything about CointelPro.
I would take an uneducated guess and suggest there are probably just as many "fake" intelligence guys out there who really aren't with the government but who pose as government guys in order to try to intimidate people and get information out of them. Probably just as many fake government spies as there are fake abductees. Just like the fake abductees who wish they were abducted the fake government spies wish they were with the government. Whether they work for the government or not they actually wish they did and are quite willing to share whatever info they might find with the government like good little patriots. They invade our privacy and eavesdrop on us in what is probably highly illigal activities but are tolerated by the government because possibly the government thinks they can get good info from them from free? Who knows. The thing to do is to feed them false info in my opinion.
Which of course is of Zeta Reticuli - the system where most "believers" claim the aliens come from. I posted the images from paranormalnews.com, although you can find the comparison of these star maps all over the internet.
grasshopper replies: Such a conclusion was confirmed by Ptaah who was one of Billy Meier's contacts. Such a statement by Billy Meier or Ptaah would almost make me think that they aren't coming from Zeta Reticuli. These guys confirm lots of our beliefs and conclusions that turn out to be untrue. That's not a knock. But it does seem to be a pattern with them.
Does this make a believer out of me? Not 100% - but it does make one wonder how in the world this woman, who has always been an upstanding respectable honest individual, could draw up a star map that wouldn't be discovered for years....
This is just one good example of why I just can't say I don't believe we are being visitied regularly... On the other hand, I can't say I believe either - I guess the jury is still out. Although I love to see if others are able to dismantle these clues or "patterns" as I call them. Many times - they can't...
I agree that we are being given clues. And the reason for such clues is never obvious, at least at first. Some day we may understand the reason why we are being led to believe that they come from Zeta Reticuli. It could turn out that we go looking for these guys and in the process find another world that is inhabitable. Something like this could of actually been the reason. On the other hand, it could be some sort of trap. Or it could be that they want us to think that that is where they are from because in our way of thinking that would seem a logical explanation that would make sense to us and therefore be believeable. When in actuality they are from somewhere else. I don't think the aliens are really going to tell us how to find them.
[edit on 16-1-2006 by rdube02]