AboveTopSecret.com is a Government COINTELPRO Disinformation Operation, page 6
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reply posted on 13-1-2006 @ 03:08 AM by Spreadthetruth
As soon as I saw the banner I thought,

"Oh no........ Its another hacker....




TROLLLLL!!!!!!"



And yes, I too have heard rumours about ATS mods being disinfo agents....

And the nutty posters that accompany them...


reply posted on 13-1-2006 @ 05:04 AM by StJude
[edit on 13-1-2006 by StJude]



reply posted on 13-1-2006 @ 07:13 AM by Grimm
Hello friends. I've been a regular observer of this website (ATS) and many other "conspiracy theory" websites for many years. I rarely post, as I obtain far more enjoyment form reading than I do from considering what I might contribute. But the urge to compose a submission to this thread is so strong, I've broken my long silence.

For anyone familiar with the history of the Above Top Secret website, accusations that they are a "counter intelligence program" are laughably absurd. Look for yourself, the history is not hidden, and wide open for anyone with a web browser. No offense to my favorite website founders, but to consider that the haphazard group of misfits, paranoids, children, and delusional characters observed to be active on the old "IkonBoard" are intelligence agents only represents your lack of research.

But now, shall we consider what is really happening here?

A counter intelligence program is certainly in full force, but it is obviously not originating here.

Consider logic. If you are a counter intelligence agent assigned to begin an information campaign that would discredit a very popular website, what would you do? Why, you would begin with that site's most popular story, of course. And, the fact that "they" clumsily fumbled the plot by accusing "COINTELPRO" in very nearly their first breath, only further solidifies the theory that these are agents are acting on an assignment.

So then, who are these Jadczyk people? Well, back in the mid '90's, Steve Kangas wrote that several so-called counter-culture anti-government groups were indeed fabrications from DPP. In one article, a "group claiming to be in communication with cassiopeians" was near the top of his list of those causing him concern, connecting them with Scaife. We all know what happened to Kangas not long after that. Now, to be certain, at the time poor Steve was growing paranoid and his work was not as sharp, so his research may have suffered. But this is at least a much more interesting connection with verified counter intelligence than is supposed for Above Top Secret.

Shall we use the web to search on the history of this group? Unlike the open book that is Above Top Secret's history, you find scant details and end up asking more questions the deeper you look. Their online efforts are limited to a chosen group of contributors, while Above Top Secret welcomes anyone into the fold. You tell me, which behaves more like a secretive counter intelligence program?

DPP and "operation mockingbird" are still in full force, and their focus on Internet disinformation and confusion is a very logical extension of a wide ranging and successful project. Subversion of the free and open Internet through a systematic plan of wildly conflicting disinformation, strategic infiltration, and character assassination are classic tried-and-true hallmarks of mockingbird.

Above Top Secret has become a target because of their effort to move past the debate of what hit the pentagon, into the zones of why, who, and what for. For those causing the mockingbird to sing, these are dangerous questions. To contemplate that perhaps it really was a commercial airline, piloted by an expert, and aimed at a particular office for strategic gain is a place they do not want you to go. So what do they do? They attempt to prevent you from "going there" by seeding the Internet with reams of confusing disinformation, and discrediting those who would "go there."

You my friends are the target of counter intelligence, it is painfully obvious.


reply posted on 13-1-2006 @ 07:15 AM by gingerlad
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
And none of us have any desire to be, nor have we been, nor will be be, nor are we now connected in any way shape or form either directly, remotely, indirectly, or through osmosis any organized program by groups within any government to shape opinion, disseminate disinformation, cause confusion, or engage in COINTELPRO of any kind, anytime, anywhere.


I'm relatively new to the site and was just wondering if SkepticOverlord could come off the fence and just tell it like it is! I sense a bit of uncertainty in your denial! HeHeHeHe!!!! (smilies not working!) :-(

I'm sure that this site will be scrutinised by government in some shape or form, even just to get the feel of what the skeptics among the online community are thinking on controversial issues; I'd be shocked if they didn't.

But I think this is outwith the control of the facilitators of this great site; and should the government come knocking you can't shut the door in their face. Can you? We have to expect that what we do online is open to scrutiny by a number of agencies and for them to attempt to control certain issues and sway opinion.

The question I ask myself is whether the facilitators are willing participants in COINTELPRO! The obvious answer for me is no, and besides why would the government set up a site at considerable cost when they can eavesdrop for a fraction of that cost.

Keep on keeping on! I'm here for the long haul and enjoying every minute.

Best Wishes

J


reply posted on 13-1-2006 @ 08:01 AM by StJude
Lets look at this with a bit of common sense.

If you were a government agency looking to supress and gather information then what better way to do it then infiltrate one of the worlds most popular Conspiracy websites.

Put yourself in that position and you'll realise that doing so is the intellgient and logical action.

If ( and this is a big IF) this website has been infiltrated or is willingly collaberating with any such agency then it stands to reason that some of the Moderators are aware of this.

Now let's look at it from a psychological perspective.

If you are a moderator or supposed expert then the more naive or easily influenced board members will be influenced by these people because they belieive they know the answers to the questions simply because they are higher in the board Heirachy than them.

Then we have the religious element.

Just as in a fair society no person in a position of power should make decisions for the population based on their religious convictions the same goes for this board. It's clear and obvious that some of the Moderators have strong Christians beliefs and if they catch on to any poster who says's something they don't like they might make life difficult for them, or as is happening more frequently, they just simply disappear from the site without warning or notice.

The thing is , although I agree that their should be certain loose terms and conditions at the end of the day i think many people labour under the illusion that this is a forum for free speech which it isn't. It's governed by a set of rules that can be bent and manipulated by moderators when they spot something they don't like.

Nobody has any right to be racist, homophobic or whatever and there is no real reason why people should swear in every sentence or make graphic sexual comments but other than that I can't see why somebody should be excluded or docked points.

Surely you have to repect your board members enough and allow the threads to grow organically without some super Moderator stepping in whenever somebody on his/her chips?

There will always be trouble makers on this board, such is life.

Maybe I've strayed from the point a little but in closing I'd like to say that is an excellent forum for philosophical theological debate, a place where even the wildest ideas can be discussed and deliberated but it's totally reasonable to suggest that the powers that be have their own agendas and if this is an agency front of some sort, no poster with any intelligence should be in the least bit suprised.



[edit on 13/1/06 by JAK]
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