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AboveTopSecret.com is a Government COINTELPRO Disinformation Operation

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posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 02:35 AM
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I know what this is... Its reversed reverse psychology... They want us to think that what we think is that they're not Gov. agents, but I think the admin is clever to act as if they are acting as agents to make us think that they may or may not be government agents... Err... I think I've got a headache now.

The paranoia ... It creeps up on you, until one day, you turn around and bite the hand that fed you all this time.




posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 02:52 AM
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Well lets hope they ARE government agents.

Some of the posts, opinions, and arguments coming out of some of the staff here isnt always "intelligent".

We have a chance yet at defeating the evil government!




posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 02:56 AM
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"They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time"


(Napoleon XIV - Theyre coming to take me away, ha ha)"


Photo: Trond Hansen




posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 03:08 AM
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As soon as I saw the banner I thought,

"Oh no........ Its another hacker....




TROLLLLL!!!!!!"



And yes, I too have heard rumours about ATS mods being disinfo agents....

And the nutty posters that accompany them...



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 03:24 AM
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well, as a defender of all theories conspiratorial, i say advertising advertises advertising and ats is a relatively 'transparent' ground from which to reflect on the impact media has on the collective mind. real people vs. infoglut.

i'm absolutely positive there are very real agents, here. the owners? me? you? who knows? who cares, anymore? just be thankful that people from anywhere can participate in a relatively neutral enviroment. i am, and i disagree with everybody, so there, you're ALL in on it(seriously, you are, lol).

as an aside, i respect the right of conspiracy theorists to make money off conspiracy theory. i don't think it's fair to slight people for that. we all have to eat. (i don't have a website, i live in a sewer and eat rats).

if i had evidence of a conspiracy, i would give it away, but, if i needed money, i might mass produce it and sell it, instead, so i could spread the truth AND eat.

anyway, springer's probably buying a new harley(or motorcycle helmut) with all the contra-versey i cause(untroll-like contra-versey, of course! ahem.) around here.

can i have your old one? a hamburger, maybe!? mmmmmmmmm, hamburger.

just leave a hamburger by the nearest sewer grate. i'll find it.

[edit on 13-1-2006 by billybob]



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by Gemwolf
I know what this is... Its reversed reverse psychology... They want us to think that what we think is that they're not Gov. agents, but I think the admin is clever to act as if they are acting as agents to make us think that they may or may not be government agents... Err... I think I've got a headache now.

The paranoia ... It creeps up on you, until one day, you turn around and bite the hand that fed you all this time.


So you mean..wait....Oh I got....no that's wrong.....You mean that they......AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

*men in white coats arrive and take me to a round padded room*



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by billybob

i'm absolutely positive there are very real agents, here. the owners? me? you? who knows? who cares, anymore? just be thankful that people from i could spread the truth AND eat.


I too am sure, assuming there is a huge disinfo campain going on, that this site (and other like it) would be prime targets.




i could spread the truth AND eat.


Hee hee



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 05:04 AM
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[edit on 13-1-2006 by StJude]



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 05:06 AM
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To be honest.

If anyone suspects anything fishy about this website you only have yourselves to blame.

What with board members who suddenly "disappear" without a trace after posting something a certain Moderator doesn't agree with, not to mention the questionable motivations of some of these Moderators who obviously have agendas of there own.

I speak to members of this board on MSN and they all agree that certain moderators treat board members with utter contempt and are nothing short of rude and obnoxious ( mention no names but it rhymes with Pomas Brown)

Most of us come here because of the wealth of information posted by others not because of the supposed fancy design or the well ran website, at the end of the day who gives a damn about that!

So bleet all you want about how people are spreading disinformation about your site.

You have nobody to blame but yourselves.


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posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 05:47 AM
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The problem many get into here is that they don't know how to let it go. Many members have been warned and continue to post, but some folk have the personality of honey bee, you swat them and they keep coming until you have no other choice but to squash them to keep from getting stung.

The terms and conditions are all over the place. IF someone "disappears" they have only themselves to blame not staff or admins. Banning is so necessary around here because know-it-alls add nothing to the discussions, trolls frequent communities like ours, and let's face it, the internet can be a pit.

If you can't follow the rules just leave...or else someone will escort you out. SECURITY!!!



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 06:13 AM
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To think the alternative media movement is a USNET group tells me just how out of touch you are.

I've got work to do. Cya.



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 06:28 AM
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Touch And Go


Originally posted by horusthechorus
To think the alternative media movement is a USNET group tells me just how out of touch you are.

I've got work to do. Cya.

Perhaps this "work" involces more hit-and-run posts on other forums?

Hey, if you want to talk honestly about these issues, there's obviously a lot of interest in that.

Strutting around blowing smoke, talking about "the movement"* and dissing on people, however, only makes you look like an idiot.

I can't stop you from doing that, but I do recommend going to the effort to represent yourself more positively.







*Talk about COINTELPRO tactics -- how about making veiled references to a "movement" and suggesting that people are heretics for not kowtowing to it?

Why not just call this "movement" "The Order", "The Council Of The Enlightened" or something equally ludicrous and self-inflated?

The only "movement" I'm interested in is the movement away from ignorance.

Secret clubs and esoteric "movements" stand in opposition to that goal, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't need other people to think for me.

No thanks.
:shk:



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 07:13 AM
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Hello friends. I've been a regular observer of this website (ATS) and many other "conspiracy theory" websites for many years. I rarely post, as I obtain far more enjoyment form reading than I do from considering what I might contribute. But the urge to compose a submission to this thread is so strong, I've broken my long silence.

For anyone familiar with the history of the Above Top Secret website, accusations that they are a "counter intelligence program" are laughably absurd. Look for yourself, the history is not hidden, and wide open for anyone with a web browser. No offense to my favorite website founders, but to consider that the haphazard group of misfits, paranoids, children, and delusional characters observed to be active on the old "IkonBoard" are intelligence agents only represents your lack of research.

But now, shall we consider what is really happening here?

A counter intelligence program is certainly in full force, but it is obviously not originating here.

Consider logic. If you are a counter intelligence agent assigned to begin an information campaign that would discredit a very popular website, what would you do? Why, you would begin with that site's most popular story, of course. And, the fact that "they" clumsily fumbled the plot by accusing "COINTELPRO" in very nearly their first breath, only further solidifies the theory that these are agents are acting on an assignment.

So then, who are these Jadczyk people? Well, back in the mid '90's, Steve Kangas wrote that several so-called counter-culture anti-government groups were indeed fabrications from DPP. In one article, a "group claiming to be in communication with cassiopeians" was near the top of his list of those causing him concern, connecting them with Scaife. We all know what happened to Kangas not long after that. Now, to be certain, at the time poor Steve was growing paranoid and his work was not as sharp, so his research may have suffered. But this is at least a much more interesting connection with verified counter intelligence than is supposed for Above Top Secret.

Shall we use the web to search on the history of this group? Unlike the open book that is Above Top Secret's history, you find scant details and end up asking more questions the deeper you look. Their online efforts are limited to a chosen group of contributors, while Above Top Secret welcomes anyone into the fold. You tell me, which behaves more like a secretive counter intelligence program?

DPP and "operation mockingbird" are still in full force, and their focus on Internet disinformation and confusion is a very logical extension of a wide ranging and successful project. Subversion of the free and open Internet through a systematic plan of wildly conflicting disinformation, strategic infiltration, and character assassination are classic tried-and-true hallmarks of mockingbird.

Above Top Secret has become a target because of their effort to move past the debate of what hit the pentagon, into the zones of why, who, and what for. For those causing the mockingbird to sing, these are dangerous questions. To contemplate that perhaps it really was a commercial airline, piloted by an expert, and aimed at a particular office for strategic gain is a place they do not want you to go. So what do they do? They attempt to prevent you from "going there" by seeding the Internet with reams of confusing disinformation, and discrediting those who would "go there."

You my friends are the target of counter intelligence, it is painfully obvious.



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
And none of us have any desire to be, nor have we been, nor will be be, nor are we now connected in any way shape or form either directly, remotely, indirectly, or through osmosis any organized program by groups within any government to shape opinion, disseminate disinformation, cause confusion, or engage in COINTELPRO of any kind, anytime, anywhere.


I'm relatively new to the site and was just wondering if SkepticOverlord could come off the fence and just tell it like it is! I sense a bit of uncertainty in your denial! HeHeHeHe!!!! (smilies not working!) :-(

I'm sure that this site will be scrutinised by government in some shape or form, even just to get the feel of what the skeptics among the online community are thinking on controversial issues; I'd be shocked if they didn't.

But I think this is outwith the control of the facilitators of this great site; and should the government come knocking you can't shut the door in their face. Can you? We have to expect that what we do online is open to scrutiny by a number of agencies and for them to attempt to control certain issues and sway opinion.

The question I ask myself is whether the facilitators are willing participants in COINTELPRO! The obvious answer for me is no, and besides why would the government set up a site at considerable cost when they can eavesdrop for a fraction of that cost.

Keep on keeping on! I'm here for the long haul and enjoying every minute.

Best Wishes

J



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 07:21 AM
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Seriously, I think We stepped on somebodys foot here.

I guess they never Expected this from an Online Community.

Well, for all those Agents Reading and watching THIS - WE have also enjoyed WATCHING You!

(Oops! Nasty anti-hotlinking image removed. Please use image hosting services to avoid embarrassment. --Majic)




[edit on 13/1/06 by Souljah]

[edit on 12/11/2006 by Majic]



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 08:01 AM
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Lets look at this with a bit of common sense.

If you were a government agency looking to supress and gather information then what better way to do it then infiltrate one of the worlds most popular Conspiracy websites.

Put yourself in that position and you'll realise that doing so is the intellgient and logical action.

If ( and this is a big IF) this website has been infiltrated or is willingly collaberating with any such agency then it stands to reason that some of the Moderators are aware of this.

Now let's look at it from a psychological perspective.

If you are a moderator or supposed expert then the more naive or easily influenced board members will be influenced by these people because they belieive they know the answers to the questions simply because they are higher in the board Heirachy than them.

Then we have the religious element.

Just as in a fair society no person in a position of power should make decisions for the population based on their religious convictions the same goes for this board. It's clear and obvious that some of the Moderators have strong Christians beliefs and if they catch on to any poster who says's something they don't like they might make life difficult for them, or as is happening more frequently, they just simply disappear from the site without warning or notice.

The thing is , although I agree that their should be certain loose terms and conditions at the end of the day i think many people labour under the illusion that this is a forum for free speech which it isn't. It's governed by a set of rules that can be bent and manipulated by moderators when they spot something they don't like.

Nobody has any right to be racist, homophobic or whatever and there is no real reason why people should swear in every sentence or make graphic sexual comments but other than that I can't see why somebody should be excluded or docked points.

Surely you have to repect your board members enough and allow the threads to grow organically without some super Moderator stepping in whenever somebody on his/her chips?

There will always be trouble makers on this board, such is life.

Maybe I've strayed from the point a little but in closing I'd like to say that is an excellent forum for philosophical theological debate, a place where even the wildest ideas can be discussed and deliberated but it's totally reasonable to suggest that the powers that be have their own agendas and if this is an agency front of some sort, no poster with any intelligence should be in the least bit suprised.



[edit on 13/1/06 by JAK]



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by horusthechorus
To think the alternative media movement is a USNET group tells me just how out of touch you are.


If you're talking about IndyMedia (are you?), I think we're compatible without any need for overt collaboration. And I've included promos for several IndyMedia podcasts in my podcasts. (though it would be the first time I've heard them called "alt media/truth" which is a typical of the syntax of usenet groups... or maybe you're talking about the "truth" anti-smoking commercials?)

However, if you're not... well... I'm pretty busy. After my full-time job, making sure the Internet's most active conspiracy theory and "alternative topic" discussion board is up and running efficiently on it's four servers so that anyone can discuss anything is pretty time-consuming. I end up with little free time to stay current with other online efforts. If members choose not to discuss those efforts in this free and open environment, it's up to them.



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 08:19 AM
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Speaking of which SKeptic, I think now is a good time to say THANK YOU. I know you do a lot of hard work keeping things up and running so that we can have a good environment to discuss the things we discuss here.

All of the Three Amigos deserve a very hearty Thank You for everything they have, and continue to do, and I would just like to express my appreciation for all your efforts.

[edit on 1/13/2006 by Zaphod58]



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 08:47 AM
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I'll second that Zaphod


Oh, and just because I have green, scaley skin, eat live mice, was the first doctor to arrive on the scene of Princess Diana's accident and was seen in the Twin Towers playing with some strange electronic devices just a few minutes before the first aircraft struck on 9/11 doesn't mean I'm a member of the Illuminati. Although I might be.......



posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
All of the Three Amigos deserve a very hearty Thank You for everything they have, and continue to do, and I would just like to express my appreciation for all your efforts.
[edit on 1/13/2006 by Zaphod58]


Here, here! Where else could I have a food fight, post opinions about a DNA for tech deal with other world entities, argue about chem trails, all whilst reading about the lizard people who [really] control the planet?

Fantastic site, much appreciated.



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