OK I am some what confusedbecause here I am logging on and there is this huge flashing banner that reads Alert ATS is disinfo and all that jazz. So is this real or not because I really like being a disinfo agent if it is. Whoever posts after me please tell in an abriged form of uh what is going on

If you look at the first page, it will give you everything you need to know...
this isn't so much a "ATS is or isn't cointelpro" thread,
as much as a
People say we are disinfo, but if so, then how/why do we provide such good real info... that is researched and debunked... so as to be solid.
and then list the threads that you see as good researched conspiracy stuff...

And to the administrators...
could we get a cumulative "in case you are wondering, we are not cointelpro" statement so that we can all be satisfied that it isn't some sort of confusion scam...?

I don't post much here but I read, research and write a lot about 'conspiracy theories' and the alternative media/truth movement.

One thing which strikes me about this site is the lack of support it offers to others within the alt media/truth movement, unless it is directly connected to and benefits this site. A red flag.

Another thing is the level of censorship imposed on its members, and I'm not talking about swearing/abuse/insults. Another red flag.

If we stand back and analyze the site for what it is, we see a business. Great. Nothing wrong with that. Business is business. Does it care about the movement, apart from making money from it? I doubt it.

Maybe ATS isn't in touch with the rest of the movement(s), hence the lack of action/support they offer. Maybe those who run this site have become arrogant.

Granted there is a lot of valuable information here, but remember mixing fact and fiction is a fantastic tactic many shills use.

For what it's worth, it seems many of the major players and groups (real activists) within the alt media movement actually avoid ATS. Again, a red flag.

For ATS to bring this to our attention seems.. pointless. Why focus on this self-indulgent exercise while there are much, much more important issues you should/could be bringing to peoples attention?

Who else in the alt media movement do you see crying about being called names? None of the respected members/groups - because there is a job to do which is far more important than ego or making money.

Who knows what this site is all about, but one thing for sure, it's the place too many people come to for their news. And a 757 didn't hit the pentagon.

I am sorry it had to go down this way, but it is now time to move.

Red Pill take station 109b and 110

BAMFGipsie you will make all phone calls

Magestica will be in charge of media

Phil Jayhan will start broadcasting at 9 pm

xkp 325 will run interception

Parakeet Man will keep posting here so under many, many different names so you think everything is alright, maybe Parakeet man has already started and its too late...hmmm

I said good day sir!

-One Man Short



And now for todays coded message:

The pie is all yellow and her feet are still growing
I cant really hear you but The James Quayle Message Board is still going.



[edit on 12-1-2006 by One Man Short of Manhood]

Originally posted by DaFunk13
CNN and Fox News are disinformation operations. This is just a place for a bunch a people to bicker and fight about things that most have little understanding of.

HUGE difference.

But if you get the majority of your input from CNN and Fox, well .... Sort of makes you part of the conspiracy, now doesn't it?

Especially if you bicker and fight, and arm yourself with thier(Major News Organizations) Truth, instead of your own.

Funny you left out NBC, and MSNBC, a company owned by another company that gets over 50% of it's revenue from GOVERNMENT Contracts.

Now, who can you trust?

I'll take my chances here on ATS, and their (yours) opinion.

I'm told "IT" roles down hil. Gravity being what gravity is, its easy to determine where "IT origniated from.

-Governemt disinformation agent,
SSgt John P., USAF

I knew it all alone, ATS is a government controlled side.

What else can they allowed so much political bashing.

The site is run by the NWO directly from offices of the Homeland security.

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
And to the administrators...
could we get a cumulative "in case you are wondering, we are not cointelpro" statement so that we can all be satisfied that it isn't some sort of confusion scam...?

In case you are indeed wondering...

Simon Gray is just a guy who made a cool website about military tech and secret projects because of a personal interest back in 2001.

SkepticOverlord is a long time online community advocate since 1986 with a keen interest in unusual topics... and some experience with programming.

Springer is my HERO and the man I wish I could be... But alas I will never measure up to his altruistc virtue and natural good looks.

And none of us have any desire to be, nor have we been, nor will be be, nor are we now connected in any way shape or form either directly, remotely, indirectly, or through osmosis any organized program by groups within any government to shape opinion, disseminate disinformation, cause confusion, or engage in COINTELPRO of any kind, anytime, anywhere.






Howzat?

[edit on 1-12-2006 by Springer]

Yes so US has never truely built Terminator to entry service
In China we says "I have never put my golden under my garden's ground" Who cares?!

[edit on 12-1-2006 by emile]

In The Realm Known as Cyberspace:


If you do something the best. Jealous haters will hate for it is in their nature to hate what they can never become.







And this too shall pass.



*looks at watch ahhh yes 14:59.*

I imagine that so much attention to this side because of the conflicting articles feature in these boards will only fuel the minds of the people that live by conspiracies.

I don't know if that is good or bad, because it can also attract a few that will do anything to bring this side down.

Perhaps because of Jealousy or just because agendas.

I always wonder if ATS has been under surveillance by any government agency and if the administration has ever been question by them also.

But I guess it will stay in my conspirators mind the answer to that.

I can understand why ATS would take legal action against those who would misappropriate ATS content, but I am surprised that this would create such a stir here. ATS is what it is and it doesn't take very long to hit enough threads to get the drift, even if that drift changes direction from time to time.

I don't know why we should dignify inane allegations with any sort of discussion, at all. Let the lawyers work it out. That's what they get paid for.

Gray Zone

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Simon Gray is just a guy who made a cool website about military tech and secret projects because of a personal interest back in 2001.

Ahh, but wasn't ATS originally founded in 1997? What accounts for those missing four years? And how do we know his real name isn't “Chris”?

Overlord Skeptic

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
SkepticOverlord is a long time online community advocate since 1986 with a keen interest in unusual topics... and some experience with programming.

Oh really, and how do we we know this is true, Mr. SkepticOverlord – if that's your real name!

And just who exactly watches over the Overlord?

Silent Springer

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Springer is a money-grubbing lunatic with delusions of grandeur who would like nothing more than for ATS to line his pockets with gold.

Ha! An obvious cover story.

Everyone knows that Springer is a modest, church-going teetotaler who gives the pittance he makes shining shoes away to feed starving nuns and orphans.

Tight Slacks

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
And none of us have any desire to be, nor have we been, nor will be be, nor are we now connected in any way shape or form either directly, remotely, indirectly, or through osmosis any organized program by groups within any government to shape opinion, disseminate disinformation, cause confusion, or engage in COINTELPRO of any kind, anytime, anywhere.

Nice weasel words. You could drive a Mack truck through the loopholes in that statement.







(Um yes, this could be considered satire, or perhaps even a derivative work, But hey, somebody's gotta do it.)

(Also, I don't offer my questions as substitutes (or “red herrings”) for other, less frivolous questions. And I really am always curious about the early days of ATS.)

Originally posted by horusthechorus
For what it's worth, it seems many of the major players and groups (real activists) within the alt media movement actually avoid ATS. Again, a red flag.

Yeah, but look at all the fun they're missing.

[edit on 2006/1/12 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by horusthechorus
One thing which strikes me about this site is the lack of support it offers to others within the alt media/truth movement,

Uh... please elaborate. I can't find any reference to that usnet group.

Another thing is the level of censorship imposed on its members

There is no censorship on ideas, but we do moderate attitude. If you present your ideas with a belligerent attitude, we will take action against that attitude. Some less mature members often confuse that with censorship.

Does it care about the movement, apart from making money from it?

Where's my check? If you review the history of this site, there is a verifiable pattern of continued proactive investment in the services and support needed to encourage and maintain growth. At some point in the future, our efforts may result in some profit that matters, but for now, it isn't (and we have give profits to charity).

Maybe ATS isn't in touch with the rest of the movement(s), hence the lack of action/support they offer.

Help me understand the "movement" you're referring to. Overall, we've always made it clear that we will rarely, if ever, take an official stand of any type. We desire to facilitate an objective environment where an exchange of all ideas are encouraged. Supporting causes and movements would breakdown that objective environment.

For what it's worth, it seems many of the major players and groups (real activists) within the alt media movement actually avoid ATS. [color=Red]Again, a red flag

I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing yet. There are roughly 1.5 million people per month that to find us and learn more here. If our "kinder gentler" environment helps people to transition from unawares to questioning what is going on around them, how could that be bad. Not every community is for everyone, and I'm sure alt.media.truth is service the members of theirs.

Well this is a peculiar thread.
People will either believe that ATS is a Disinfo site.... or they won’t, simple as.
There will always be people in the conspiracy community who will see shadowy goings on where there are none.
Sometimes I think the Mods actions seem a bit strange, but hey I study conspiracies and im a bit paranoid
I don’t think this site is government run or that the mods and admin are spooks.
In my experience SO, Springer and Simon have been honest and upfront with the membership here and all have worked very hard to make this site what it is now, hell even the political sniping has calmed down ( something I thought would be impossible )
That’s not to say they haven’t had offers tho eh? But I feel comfortable that they have enough integrity and honesty to turn down any offers to sell the site down the river.
I’m not and probably will never be a major player on this site but SO and the rest of the Amigos will have my support and confidence until they give me a reason not to, and I can’t see that being any time soon.