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posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 06:01 AM
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i think thats being refit for service - just IMO of course


how many diesel boats does china have?

[edit on 13/3/06 by Harlequin]




posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 09:59 PM
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diesel boats?.

what type of boats



posted on Mar, 15 2006 @ 01:39 AM
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My apologies for not getting back to you on your post of 16-1-06. I have not returned to this thread till tonight.

Your question on that date concering whether Aircraft Carriers are obselete. No they are not obselete. They may be vulnurable but not obselete. Carriers like other ships working together in a fleet configuration are a method nations use to protect thier trade routes or simply trade. Economics..including foreign trade...raw materials and finished products can be the life blood of many nations in a industrial world. Having a Navy is the method historically many nations have protected thier trade or alliances in trade with other nations.
I do believe that in the future more unmanned vehicles will be operating from Aircraft carriers verses manned aircraft. I believe this is the wave of the future. It still has a ways to go before it will be perfected but it will be perfected. THere are already working systems for landing and taking off aircraft from carriers completely hands off. Mission profiles can and have been done automatically..electronically..from take off to weapons release. This too is not new.

As to the other part of your post. No I have never been in the Navy or a sailor. I am a shipyard worker. A machinist. I was in the military briefly but not in the navy. I have worked on aircraft carriers and submarines both ..also cruisers and commercial work..tankers , container ships and ocean liners. THat is how I know certain things about ships by looking at them and comparing to my experience/knowlege.

Also the poster who mentioned the holes in the decks in the pictures posted. It is difficult to clearly determine if they are holes cut into the decks or cargo ...equipment stacked up on the deck.
It is not unusual for holes to be cut into the decks of ships to take on large machinery ..or off load large machinery for repair or even reinstallation. Once the equipment is reinstalled back into place the decks are welded back into place.
Though the pictures are very grainy...what I did not notice which makes me think this is equipment stacked on the deck rather than holes cut in the deck ....is the abscence of what would be handrails...and or wiring strung along deck posts temporarily welded around a hole cut into the deck. This is temporary safety boundrys put up to prevent people from falling through..something always done by smart shipyards to prevent injury of experienced personel. IN most carriers the level below the fight deck is the hanger deck. To fall through is a long plunge...most likely lethal.
Usually on a ship like this ...holes are cut through the hanger deck to access spaces down below this hanger deck level..not in the flight deck per se. the hanger decks below are large enough to accomodate fork lifts ..Grove type cranes..etc...and these lift up machinery through holes cut and then in to the hanger decks where the machinery is moved to a elevator then off ship by pier side cranes.

Thanks for some intresting posts Gentlemen,
Orangetom



posted on Mar, 15 2006 @ 01:47 AM
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AS to your question about the deck being used for flying?? Yes it can. The ski jump type deck is a feature used by many Navys to prevent the costly investment in catapult technology. Catapults like we Yanks use are costly and also high maintenance. Many nations like Russia and the UK have opted for this ski jump ramp technique. Much simpler and less maintenance.
Remember something else..sometimes many Navys opt to take off light on fuel and heavy on ordinance and in flight refuel quickly once airborne. Alot of fuel can be burned off getting a heavy airplane off the deck..so it is sometimes better to get the plane off heavy on ordinance and then tank up in flight as soon as possible.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 04:40 AM
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Thank you for the reply orangetom.

Whats your opinoin on these landing/carrier/helo type ships china is planning to build. could it be escorted by chinas future carrier?


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Four hovercraft on the inside and tropp carrying capability with tanks and things after landing



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
Thank you for the reply orangetom.

Whats your opinoin on these landing/carrier/helo type ships china is planning to build. could it be escorted by chinas future carrier?

I know this question isn't addressed to me but I feel like answering anyway. Those landing ships most likely will not be used for anywhere other than Taiwan, and for that purpose mainland Chinese airbases are fully capable of giving them air support, no need for aircraft carriers. If the carrier were finished before a Taiwan conflict I speculate that it would more likely be used to distract the US navy somewhere in the Pacific rather than getting involved at Taiwan directly, should the US choose to join.



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
diesel boats?.

what type of boats



subs - and do they have shkval?



posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 01:32 AM
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China wouldn't have the shkval. I think the shkval would need a 650 tube while chinese submarines are 533. Or they could have been placed on the new kilos. But from what i read about the shkval it sounds impressive when you look at the speed but isn't it like s sucide missile?

For diesel boats. there would be probaly 17-18 035 class ships i think it was about 22-28 033. One 039 class, 8 039Gs. two 877EM and 9 636 kilos with one still on order. And one yuan class

Nuclear submarines are 5 Han class 1 Xia class while it is rumoured that the 094 is already operational/sea trials because of the testing of a missile at sea with longer range than a JL-1.

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posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 01:37 AM
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The kilo systems look alot more impressive also

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posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 01:46 AM
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I saw an ATS thread last month that had the Varyag for sale.
China wanted $16 million for it.



posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 02:02 AM
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It was the mirsk.

Part of a military theme world. The company asked for 16million straight away and scared off all the buyers. so its not sold yet.







 
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