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Originally posted by engenerQ
...not our fault not a problem
i was watching the news and all i hear is global warming this global warming that and im sick of it. yes the climate is warming BUT its because we have just came from a ice age!
most of these peoples facts are based on data from as far back as 90 years
vathena.arc.nasa.gov
# The geological record of carved mountain valleys, scratched bedrock, and glacial debris and moraines gives evidence of the past several million years.
# Recently, cores have been removed from the ice at Vostok Station in Antarctica. The longest cores are about 2000 meters, sampling layers of ice deposited as early as 160,000 years ago. The ice trapped bubbles of air when it froze. The ratio of oxygen isotopes in this air indicates the average air temperature at the time the bubble was trapped in ice. The bubbles also trap atmospheric greenhouse gases that can be measured.
# Fossil plants and the distribution of pollen show that vegetation has changed, consistent with changing climate.
now dont get me wrong there is a problem with CFC's and polution and they have impacted the enviroment. but they arnt responcable for the earths alredy warming climate. so if anyone would like to argue this fact i would realy like to hear it b/c i am no expert.
Originally posted by engenerQ
i was watching the news and all i hear is global warming this global warming that and im sick of it. yes the climate is warming BUT its because we have just came from a ice age! most of these peoples facts are based on data from as far back as 90 years....the earth is about 3.5 to 3.8 billion years old. so there baseing there facts on 0.000000027 of the earths total weather. now dont get me wrong there is a problem with CFC's and polution and they have impacted the enviroment. but they arnt responcable for the earths alredy warming climate. so if anyone would like to argue this fact i would realy like to hear it b/c i am no expert.
GW is a huge problem....pumping billions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere is not normal
Originally posted by engenerQ
so if you want to cut down CO2 dont breath and plant a tree.
Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research.
www.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml&sSheet=
/news/2004/07/18/ixnewstop.html
A few environmental facts from the book:
Ø Nature contributes 30 times more CO2 to the atmosphere than mankind does.
Ø Living plants emit four times more hydrocarbons than man does.
Ø A Swedish study showed that acid rain improved crop yields and protein content.
Ø Malaria has increased tenfold since the passage of Wetlands Preservation legislation in the 1970s.
www.oism.org...
"It is thus quite remarkable that advocates of global energy rationing should choose to point out and attempt to ridicule this statement: ``Mankind is moving the carbon in coal, oil, and natural gas from below ground to the atmosphere and surface, where it is available for conversion into living things. We are living in an increasingly lush environment of plants and animals as a result of the CO2 increase. Our children will enjoy an Earth with far more plant and animal life as that with which we are now blessed. This is a wonderful and unexpected gift of the Industrial Revolution'' (Robinson AB, Baliunas SL, Soon W, Robinson ZW: ``Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide,'' Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, 1998)."
"A summary provided by Dr. Sylvan Wittwer, Director Emeritus of the Agricultural Experiment Station, University of Michigan, emphasizes these points:
Ø ``Hundreds of experiments have confirmed that plant growth, total output, and yields of all the major food crops..., the major forest trees, both grass and legume species on ranges and in wetlands, aquatic plants and tank-
culture algae are enhanced over a range of 20-70 percent by elevated levels of atmospheric CO2 approaching a doubling of the current level of 360 ppm.''
Ø ``Plant water-use efficiency is enhanced and the water requirements of the major food crops are significantly reduced.''
Ø ``The rising level of atmospheric CO2 has increased the global agricultural output by an estimated 8-12 percent during the last 50 years.''
Ø ``There will very likely be some redistribution among forest, range, and aquatic species. Most will be positive.''
www.oism.org...
A teacher at one of the better high schools in Tucson, Arizona, administered the long version of the quiz given by
``Fossil Bill'' Kramer at the 1996 DDP meeting. Although DDP attendees got most of the answers right (see the Sept. 1996 issue), a majority of the high-school students disagreed with them on every point.Environmental ``education'' has been mandated by state law in Arizona (on its unscientific, politically loaded content-see Nov. 1994 issue-controversy continues, but the agenda is set and is unlikely to change).
www.oism.org...
Originally posted by engenerQ
just to let you know google is not a scientific sorce i could put on ther blue is red and some one could quote it as fact
actualy the very end of the last ice age was the tail of the 1700's witch among other things actualy had a hand with the french revalution (just watched it on the history chanel and talked to it with the biologest/ metrologist at my college) check this out en.wikipedia.org...:Vostok-ice-core-petit.png
acording to this graph weve had global warming for 10,000 years! last time i checked cars and chemicales didnt have a role back then.
btw in the last 400,000 years acording to your ice samples there has been 3 other "GW" incadents.
ok lets look at the ozone it blocks gama, micro and ultaviolet waves. ok what hapens in the microwave when microwaves hit water they heat up correct same with the rest i just couldent find a good exaple for it. so heating up water (70% of the world) dosent contribute to GLOBAL WARMING sorry bro i think you should look at that agian.
i would like to hear some examples of green house gases harming things other than industreal apps and GW i saw on the tv where they blamed global warming for 2 species of frogs in the amazon becoming extict. incase you didnt know species in the amazon dont last long ther are parts where evry tree you see in the deep jungle is a difrent speces... one dies a whole speces is gone....but it was bound to anyways and i bet if they had fully tracked these species years ago i bet they where just a dead end inevalution.
yes storms seem to b more powerfull but show me some huracane data 200 years ago ...who says the last 90 years was just a slump there is NOT ENOUGH current data for that kind of asumption we need to think not in human time(years) but earth time( thosands of years).
Originally posted by engenerQ
letss add them up shal we..... the total is over 11 TRILLION tons of CO2 a year
and how many years have anamals been on the earth ooo sevral thousand
GW is a huge problem....pumping billions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere is not normal
your correct breathing TRILLIONS is
btw thos bad industrial companies that produce lots of CO2 take a look down wind i bet youll find lots of very very health trees b/c trees love CO2
You watching the History channel is not a source we can verify. Is there anything on the internet that can back up your claim? The chart you are showing doesn't support it either. It shows that the last Ice age was 10,000 ago (just like every other web resource I can find.) Going by that chart the temperatures for the last 8,000 years have been close to around 0°C While 10,000 years ago the temperature was around -8°C.
Yes, the Earth was recovering from Ice ages.
CFCs have nothing to do with Global Warming they effect our o-zone layer.
GW heats up the ocean causing the Hurricane season to last longer with more powerful storms.
Not so long ago, civilization learned that it was no match for just a few degrees drop in temperature. Scientists call it the Little Ice Age--but its impact was anything but small. From 1300 to 1850, a period of cataclysmic cold caused havoc. It froze Viking colonists in Greenland, accelerated the Black Death in Europe, decimated the Spanish Armada, and helped trigger the French Revolution. The Little Ice Age reshaped the world in ways that now seem the stuff of fantasy--New York Harbor froze and people walked from Manhattan to Staten Island, Eskimos sailed kayaks as far south as Scotland, and two feet of snow fell on New England in June and July during "the Year Without a Summer". Could another catastrophic cold snap strike in the 21st century? Leading climatologists offer the latest theories, and scholars and historians recreate the history that could be a glimpse of things to come. Face the cold, hard truth of the past--an era that may be a window to our future.
.....so true
And people love Oxygen
the hell if i know that a big number....but one corn plant is 3-4 times more eficent at absorbing CO2 per lb compared to trees and how many acres of corn is there ........how many corn plants are there per acre
How many trees have we lost since humanity became industrialized?
The fact is that today there is 32% more CO2 in our air
How can the cycle keep up?
there are how many people on this earth(~6 billion),
Deserts don't contribute any oxygen to our air, and the plants and sea life that do need nutrients to exist blackg
Originally posted by engenerQ
as for The Vagabond i would love to talk to the guy who beat you up lol
ok #1 yes the recent spike is extended but you must look at the trend. look after the first spike its one like not to buched up.
all you told me was just like any graph showing the interactions betwene things trys to balence out and this is exactly the kind of graph you get in the lab and in the real world if there are difrent things balencing out.
#2 that "this" link is so full of crap if you look it uses 5 difrent sorces to manipulate data to make it look just like they want it to look.
Below an altitude of about 100 km, the Earth's atmosphere has a more-or-less uniform composition (apart from water vapor) as described above; this constitutes the homosphere.[2] However, above about 100 km, the Earth's atmosphere begins to have a composition which varies with altitude. This is essentially because, in the absence of mixing, the density of a gas falls off exponentially with increasing altitude, but at a rate which depends on the molecular mass.
#3 weve alredy pointed out that wikipeda is not a good sorce
we must look at all of history not just in human times
and all of a sudden when you look at this its like BAM 500ppm is nothing not to long ago it was 1000ppm
this actualy amazed me and it uses 6 creadable seprate resorces.
i love the OJ refrence lol