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Yet Another Mexico Vid

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posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by Thain Esh Kelch

Originally posted by FLYIN HIGH


Maybe something weird IS going on down there? like the Bermuda Triangle.


the bermuda triangle is begining to lose credibility now as well. they have done some unique study on the subject. the cause for loss of so many ships they say is down to bubbles of gas being ejected from vents on the sea floor. i could dig out some links but i got a terrible headache.





posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by Im a true sceptic

Originally posted by Kacen

Originally posted by Im a true sceptic
www.ufowatchdog.com... - its the dude on the left , thats been found hoaxing so called ufo video....(many times in the past that is)

Hope this helps...


Well, just because he endorses many hoaxes dosen't mean everything he covers is a hoax, now does it? =P



sorry you are flawed. This guy not only shows this stuff - he produces it!!



So, you think that guy actually created this video?

I personally don't think so. I mean, the kid reportedly never wanted to go to that place again. Among other things. The fact that three kids are involved is why I doubt he made it.



posted on Jan, 17 2006 @ 04:56 PM
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Can someone please post another link to the video that works?

Non of the links seem to work......



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 05:08 AM
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Poor old Jamie just can't win can he? The guy should stick to real estate. Hope he has better luck with that.....




From Scott Corrales
Inexplicata - The Journal of Hispanic ufology

Milenio.com
By Daniel Barquet - Mérida
1-19-5

They mocked Jaime Maussan in Mérida, Yucatan, and alleged aliens disclosed it was all a prank.

Last week, the ufologist presented evidence of alien life in Mérida, which circulated over the Internet and show an alleged alien concealed behind a light post.
Alien Encounter Filmed In Mexico?

Authors of the "jape" disclosed that they did it merely to "to mock" Maussan and try to "get some dough" out of him. The prank, which "even passed the analysis with special equipment", was made with a mask that one of the participants purchased during last year's carnival in Yucatan's capital city. The alien evidence was broadcast by Televisa during the last episode of the Otro Rollo program, hosted by Adal Ramones.

After the end of this program, the prank made with a supermarket mask became, for some ufologists "further proof" that aliens are on Earth and that one of them appeared in Fraccionamiento del Parque in eastern Merida.

The recording, presented by Maussan as a world exclusive, is of poor quality and was made with cell phone. The pranksters claim that they made it "in order to make a good amount of money from the sale of that material", but are now afraid and undecided about disclosing the truth or maintaining the hoax.

"The events are fake. There is no such alien," said Sergio Valdez Diaz, member of the Centro de Investigacion de Fenomenos Paranormales, a group dedicated to studying such events.

Two re-enactments have already been made in Merida using camcorders and cell phones similar to the one employed in making the recording, yielding elements that dismiss [its credibility].

"We engaged in this event shortly after the events, before Maussan came to listen to their story. It's not true that alien vanished behind the lightpost, since it is large enough for a young man to conceal himself. The alleged entity's long arm, which touches the young man, is a visual effect. It was said that contact took place when the boy went to fetch the ball, but the ball was on the left and the post was on the right," stated Valdez Diaz, who met with the authors of the prank, all minors.

Accoridng to Valdez Diaz, "all of the youths involved were aware of the deception but decided to maintain it, partly because they hoped to obtain money through their hoax."

"Now this teenager is frightened by the scope of the events and by the visits from people wanting to interview him. He no longer wants to speak with anyone. His companions did not tell the truth because, as they said, they hoped that Maussan would pay them a good amount of money for the recording and could "have a good laugh" at his expense," he concluded.

FOR MORE INFORMATON: Milenio (Mexico DF) - www.milenio.com...

(Translation (c) 2006. Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology (IHU). Special thanks to Christian Quintero, Planeta UFO)


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posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 06:10 AM
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Ok, you have listened to one side of the story, translated, cut and pasted, and attached to the above post, based on an investigation from a someone named Carlos Trejo, as well as statements which according the report above, purportedly came from one Sergio Valdez Diaz, member of the Centro de Investigacion de Fenomenos Paranormales. This is not the only organisation dealing in paranormal or UFO, however this is their version of the investigations which failed to mentioned the tests that were carried out or what did they actually investigate.

Below is a much broader report. The aim of this post is not an attempt to prove that the mexican cell phone video is geniune, or a hoax, but an attempt to allow everyone else a broader perspective to the issue, which definately would be controversial as long as DISCLOSURE is not made.

A Broader report of the mexican cell phone video


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Mexico - Controversy Rages
Over Yucatan 'Alien'

From Scott Corrales
The Journal Of Hispanic Ufology

MILENIO.com
1-19-5

Maussan: "There's proof, I wasn't taken" Jose Alonso Herrera denies that he and his friend asked for money and accuse Carlos Trejo of slandering them.

According to a written instrument sent to MILENIO by Jaime Maussan, radioactivity was found at the site where three youths recorded a seemingly non-human being on March 20, 2005 using a cell phone.

The text says that astronomer and physicist Jorge Guerrero stated that the discovery was astounding and inexplicable, since there is no reason to justify the existence of radiation in Fraccionamiento del parque. Measurements taken with specialized equipment detected the presence of radiation not deemed hazardous, but merely as "dark matter".

"I wonder it was me who was hoodwinked or you, dear friends of Milenio."

The text goes on: present at the site where the youths who participated in the video's recording, Jose Alonso Herrera and David Espada. Maussan points out that great expectations have emerged around the so-called Merida Alien. However, this has allowed some like Jorge Moreno or Sergio Valdez Diaz of "Misterios de Merida" magazine to slam the researchers. "According to Moreno and Valdez, the video is only a prank by a young man who donned a carnival mask, which they state was admitted by not one buy all of the youth's participating in the event." Maussan says that Valdez Diaz told Daniel Barquet, a reporter for MILENIO, that the youths had mocked Maussan because they wanted to "get some dough" out of him and also because they wanted to pull the wool over his eyes. In stating this fact, notes the journalist, neither Barquet nor Valdez exhibit a single shred of proof or authoritative evidence.

He goes on: Herrera and Espada state that Valdez Diaz's declarations are false, and accuse Moreno of having offered money to minors to admit their part in the prank. "The video reached me accidentally, after having circulated for months among teenage cell phones. I was never asked for money, and I have never offered it."

Maussan says that the video has been analyzed by experts and that it has been established without a doubt that no animation is involved, although they admit that it could be something else, either a prank or a legitimate video. In the early hours of March 20, two young men from Yucatan, Jose Alonso Herrera and David Espadas, filmed strange figures using a cell phone, a recording they later disseminated through e-mail. They were then contacted by ufologist Jaime Maussan, who asked them for the film, to which they agreed, as he promised to investigate it. However, a man named Carlos Trejo came to Merida a few days ago with the intention of discrediting Maussan and the video fans...continues
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posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by Kacen
So, you think that guy actually created this video?

I personally don't think so. I mean, the kid reportedly never wanted to go to that place again. Among other things. The fact that three kids are involved is why I doubt he made it.


your getting drawn into this without being objective . You are already beleiving what you want to beleive. Whos to say he didnt pay three actors to play geeks playing football? how do you know this wasnt staged? look at the idividual related to this movie - sorry to be the grey cloud in your otherwise peachy sky.



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 07:41 AM
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Thanks to Sanctumn for replacing the correct tags to my post.

Just a thought on the case. According to the first report, a 'Mr.Sergio Valdez Diaz, member of the Centro de Investigacion de Fenomenos Paranormales' makes a claim that :-

"Now this teenager is frightened by the scope of the events and by the visits from people wanting to interview him. He no longer wants to speak with anyone. His companions did not tell the truth because, as they said, they hoped that Maussan would pay them a good amount of money for the recording and could "have a good laugh" at his expense,"

Were those actual words from the boy or was he speaking ON BEHALF of the boy, based on his own judgement of events? Makes a whole lot of meaning for 'objective' investigations.

The fact does remains it seems the boy is frightened, no doubt from stress. Now for those who have heard of Post Traumatic Stress, it is a genuine mental problem more commingly known as 'shellshock'. Most war veterans suffer from it for some period of time after witnessing frightening events.

Now ask yourself, if the boys were in it together in a premedidated plan to milk for money, arranged in fullest detail, even to the extent of getting graphic work done on the video, FULLY PREPARED for a hoax to cheat someone, a well known UFO investigator nonetheless, for money.....I wonder why would he be stressed out at all, more so the main actor who would be basking in glory and media attention to get more money. But why is the kid experiencing PTS instead if this is a hoax?

Strange world we live in.......



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 08:08 AM
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Now I just read that report claiming it was a hoax, and now another one says their was radiation in the area. Now I'm really confused.



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 08:25 AM
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It's no wonder ppl dont take Ufology serious with crap like this....
..... i mean c'mon


Open Your Eyes



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 09:32 AM
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I for one hope this one turns out as fake.. I still open my eyes while trying to sleep at night, awaiting a white alien peaking around the corner.. *Scared*



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 09:55 AM
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.____.;; You too? I'm down alone in my basement, looking at floating entities and alien sightings. *wants to move his computer upstairs...* I keep looking over my shoulder...



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 12:49 PM
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So it seems the individual named Sergio Valdez really deceived those newspaper reporters ? Valdez turned out to be a common liar with criminal records and accused of child pornography. Well someone in this blog was also deceived by this quack ?

Found the last update on this story:

www.virtuallystrange.net...



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 04:53 PM
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I believe it to be genuine. Mexico has had a flap of ufo activity for several years now.

Also if you look-the creature is behind the shrub, not the lamp-post. Obviously from where the cameraman was standing, it gave the illusion that the being was coming from the lamp-post.

love, light and peace to all



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 05:01 PM
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I'm inclined to believe the video was fake. I know there's been activity from ufo's over Mexico, however there are a few things that i have a problem with. Such as...

1. Why would you record people kicking a football around?

2. The boy who 'headered' the ball towards the post was conveniently in the right position

3. How could the 'creature' have hidden behind the post without being seen?

4. Just before the scene where he approaches the post, the brightness suddenly increases.

I know phone cameras aren't the best quality, and they tend to change brightness etc. But at that instance?

Why didn't they approach it? There were three of them



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 07:33 PM
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Carlos Trejo is a paranormal(especially ghosts, pretty famous too) researcher who has been flamed by Maussan, apparently Maussan said bad stuff about Carlos Trejo´s work, family etc and Trejo got very offended but he hasnt answered directly to Maussan.
With that being said, last tuesday(on the same latenightshow Maussan showed the vid, they both appear on it very often, it is also the most viewed in Mexico) Trejo answered to Maussan´s challenge to prove Merida´s alien video to be a hoax. So as far as I know (sorry didnt watch the show), Trejo visited the place of the encounter and proved it could have been a person hidden behind the post.
So if you have any questions...



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Flyboy2111. Why would you record people kicking a football around?


The kid was just testing out his new cell phone camera, fooling around with it.


Originally posted by Flyboy2112. The boy who 'headered' the ball towards the post was conveniently in the right position


Can you clarify for me, please?


Originally posted by Flyboy2113. How could the 'creature' have hidden behind the post without being seen?


It must have been really thin. Also another theory that I recall a few people were tossing around in this forum is that the "being" was popping out from another dimension.


Originally posted by Flyboy2114. Just before the scene where he approaches the post, the brightness suddenly increases.


It is possible that thats the version shown on the news, slightly edited so the viewers could see it better. That may also explain the sudden cut.

If not that, it is possible that the camera has an instant zoom and automatically brightens things.



posted on Jan, 19 2006 @ 10:34 PM
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Wow this thing really heated up! Skeptics bribing kids to lie to prove it was a hoax. Press conferences and porn magazines! And now a possible future arrest of the skeptics for trying to "corrupt" the kids to lie about something that in the end may still be a hoax...Wild!

Well at least those 3 kids stuck with saying their story is true...if this is a hoax they really have got themselves in the thick of things.

Zeratul, Thanks for your info...you really are a help to this thread. Let us know what's up and if they arrest those two guys.


Originally posted by Flyboy211
1. Why would you record people kicking a football around?

2. The boy who 'headered' the ball towards the post was conveniently in the right position

3. How could the 'creature' have hidden behind the post without being seen?

4. Just before the scene where he approaches the post, the brightness suddenly increases.

Why didn't they approach it? There were three of them


Flyboy211 here's my take:

1. I see people wasting time on everything and anything with new cell phones and cameras. Teenagers are the worst, trying to show off to their friends...heck I used to do it too.

2. Actually it looks like he kicked it off the wall. In my above post, I thought I could see a blur (you have to maximize the video) of the ball going off the wall, but I can't see where it comes to rest. This is the part that makes me wonder if the video is legit, since kicking the ball off the wall to the right spot near the pole would take numerous tries and "retakes" for the hoax to work.

3. I agree...I would have to see the pole. I think it's possible if you have a skinny kid turned sideways, but very difficult. I'd like to see some of the video recreations of the scene. I don't know if a dimensional portal is the simplest answer on this. I think if hoaxed we have a CGI alien. If real, I would go with some kind of camo/invisibilty suit (which the US military is working on) before a portal. But according to the new Skinwalker Ranch book that came out, I guess the portal thing is a possibility.

4. I have no clue on this since I don't have a cell phone camera or if I did, I'd still need the same brand to test with. Again I wish we had info on what a recreated scene with the same brand cell phone looks like.

5. Why didn't they approach it? My opinion is, since something suddenly frightening has happened to me and my friends, that once one person "loses it" the others, whether they get a clear view what is causing the fear or not, begin to imagine the worse. I think all 3 were aware of the creature but only 1 really "saw" it. Yeah, knowing what we all know now...I think some of us would go after the creature. But in nearly all (supposed) aliens encounters, the aliens have some type of paralyzing light "wand" that stops people from coming too close. So I doubt they would of had a chance.

Still my feeling is this most likely is a hoax where the alien was CGI'd in. If it's real, which I have no idea how you prove it with such a terrible video, then I think we all get to believe the "Boogie Man" may be real. Take it from me a real "Boogie" man you better start checking under your bed again.


...and for you guys who bagged this as soon as you heard the first report this was fake:

Looks like a little reverse psychology was played on you for being too gullible...just like a lot of UFO freaks who bite on some of those wacky stories. Shame shame.


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posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by Flyboy211

1. Why would you record people kicking a football around?

2. The boy who 'headered' the ball towards the post was conveniently in the right position

3. How could the 'creature' have hidden behind the post without being seen?

4. Just before the scene where he approaches the post, the brightness suddenly increases.



Wow! i cant believe this,
its all been explained


1. Why not?

2. The ball was already in the right place, the ball in they were kicking around isn't the ball beside the lampost.

3. Becouse the person dressed as an alien wasn't placed there untill the last shot.

4. becouse it was a cut in the film, its at this point the alien was placed behind the post.



posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 06:11 PM
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Here's the pic I blew up. The blur/ball is where the the red mark points to and rides right on the yellow line for about half the length of the yellow line. You have to watch the video a few times at the 21-23 second area to see this blur happen and not assume it's something else.

Plus you have to listen to the sounds: "Doh-doh-chee--doh" 1)knee 2)kick 3)foot scraping sidewalk or ball hitting wall? (blur) 4) then sound of something hitting again. What the final sound is stumps me...is it the sidewalk or something near it? Is it the ball going off the pole...should my yellow line point the blur towards the pole? I am assuming it is hitting near the sidewalk by watching David's (the boy touched by the alien) head and body movements.

Of course none of this matters if the thing is staged with the switch to the close up scene of him walking to the pole. Then they could put the ball anywhere.



posted on Jan, 20 2006 @ 06:34 PM
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go to photobucket and make your image smaller its a bit big, mods will have to delete it.

when i watch the video i cant see the ball come back into the picture i'm almost certain the ball goes over the wall or something, becouse it never comes back into the frame.



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