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Originally posted by 2nd Hand Thoughts
Does anyone here collect strange corporate logos, etc?
Originally posted by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz
Actually it's 616, just look where the finger is, it's crossed over but if you did not do that, you get 616. 616 was the orignal number of the beast discribed in the book of revolations in rome which stood for "NERO" the romen emporer at the time, but over time it got messed with and today we have 666, but since this day and age is turning into what rome was doing at the time (hence the mark being every romen citizen having to be indentifyed and would not be able to buy, and would be taken away to some dungeon somewhere to rot.ect
Britian is going to do that national id thing I think so it might be a sign, heck do any of us know.
[edit on 23-1-2006 by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz]
Originally posted by TheBorg
Do you have a source that you could quote from in relation to 616 being the original number?
616 vs. 666: Which Is the Real Number of the Beast?
4. Irenaeus in the second century, a century before the manuscript Parker relies on, already knew of the 616 variation and discounted it as an error:
Such, then, being the state of the case, and this number being found in all the most approved and ancient copies [of the Apocalypse], and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony [to it]; while reason also leads us to conclude that the number of the name of the beast, [if reckoned] according to the Greek mode of calculation by the [value of] the letters contained in it, will amount to six hundred and sixty and six; that is, the number of tens shall be equal to that of the hundreds, and the number of hundreds equal to that of the units (for that number which [expresses] the digit six being adhered to throughout, indicates the recapitulations of that apostasy, taken in its full extent, which occurred at the beginning, during the intermediate periods, and which shall take place at the end), — I do not know how it is that some have erred following the ordinary mode of speech, and have vitiated the middle number in the name, deducting the amount of fifty from it, so that instead of six decads they will have it that there is but one. [I am inclined to think that this occurred through the fault of the copyists, as is wont to happen, since numbers also are expressed by letters; so that the Greek letter which expresses the number sixty was easily expanded into the letter Iota of the Greeks.] — Adv. haer. 5.30
In this rather obscurely expressed passage, Irenaeus was proposing (even in the second century - a century BEFORE this oldest surviving copy!) that old, Greek copies of Revelation contained an error of copying in which the Greek letter xi with gematraic value 60 was wrongly copied into the Greek letter iota with number value 10.