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Topic started on 29-9-2003 @ 09:53 PM by ADVISOR
New instrument of the NWO!





Links-
ABC

PM

atk

Just for backgrounds sake.

See what they are building, while trying to take away our own rights of arms?!

Granted that it is for "Military" use only, I'm sure no one needs reminding of what happened in THE NORTH HOLLYWOOD SHOOTOUT.

CNN

UWS

So it becomes apparent, why the anti gun laws are being pushed. Soon the "Cabal", as Dragonrider calls it.
Will be the only ones running this show. And when they do, everything will be at their disposal.


reply posted on 29-9-2003 @ 09:59 PM by dragonrider
Very high tech scifi Star Wars looking POS.

If it aint broken dont go fixin it...




50 years old, but still light years ahead in effectiveness in the hands of a trained rifleman.... Something the US military is producing in precious few numbers nowadays...

Indeed, taking away the 2nd Amendment would make the US much simpler to "police" and to protect from terrorists... of course the terrorists will now be much easier to find... just look for the poor souls who still want to own firearms and believe in personal rights and freedoms....



reply posted on 29-9-2003 @ 11:10 PM by ADVISOR
Here is more on the OICW;

First Prototype




Post Number: 195566
Originally posted by FULCRUM
ADVISOR,
Not to offend you.. but i must say that OICW is a piece of crap.
It is M-16


I'm not offended, just disappointed.
Figured you knew you weapons.
HK isn't crap.




HK
Have some nice weapons, as it is.
Only wondering one thing, when does UN or Nato,
get their hands on these?



[Edited on 30-9-2003 by ADVISOR]


reply posted on 30-9-2003 @ 10:31 AM by dragonrider
I did not mean to say that HK weapons in general are bad weapons. The HK91 is an excellent weapon, although the HK33 adn G36 suffer from one fallibility... the 5.56mm caliber.

I have posted numerous times on the ballistic inequities between the 5.56mm and the 7.62mm. Suffice to say that the 7.62mm has well over 2.5X the energy developed, far better range and penetration.

What heartburn I do have about the OICW is that it is designed as a damn computer gun. Remember Murphys law, if it can go wrong, it will go wrong, especially in combat. And in middle of a firefight is the last place that you want any part of your weapon failing you.

The 200mm grenade launcher, all the fancy electronics aside, is a complete waste of time, as it is physically too small to carry a sufficient explosive payload to make much difference. If you need a grenade launcher in combat, use the tried and true 40mm M-79 or M-203. The 40mm grenade shell is the equivalent of a full sized handgrenade. And it doesnt have the fancy electronics to fail on it.

The 5.56mm is already a ballistic dog, but what really worries me about the HK OICW is the 10 inch barrel. The NATO 5.56mm ammo is already underpowered and low velocity compared to the original loading, and firing it through a stubby 10 inch barrel further reduces its effectiveness. Firing a 62 gr bullet, from a 10 inch barrel, it has a muzzle velocity of around 2500-2600 feet per second, producing around 700-800 foot pounds of energy. Compare this to 2800 feet per second for a 147 gr .308 bullet producing 2600-2800 foot pounds of energy for the 7.62mm.

By contrast, a .44 magnum from a 6 inch revolver firing a 240 gr bullet at 1400 feet per second produces over 1000 foot pounds of energy.

So you want to risk your life with a rifle that produces less energy than a pistol?

As far as rate of fire, full auto is highly overrated in combat. Opening up Rock and Roll in full auto wastes ammo, risks mechanical failure of the weapon, advertises your location to the enemy, puts friendly forces at risk due to irresponsible fire control, and installs a false sense of security.

Besides that, I am STILL waiting for someone to explain to me the wisdom of firing large numbers of rounds that hit nothing but air as opposed to aiming at, firing, and hitting your target using proper fire control discipline.



reply posted on 30-9-2003 @ 11:10 AM by ImAlreadyPsycho
Originally posted by dragonrider
Besides that, I am STILL waiting for someone to explain to me the wisdom of firing large numbers of rounds that hit nothing but air as opposed to aiming at, firing, and hitting your target using proper fire control discipline.


DR,

YOu know as well as anyone else here that this will never be done. No one can explain that wisdowm (or lack thereof) because there is no such thing. I could blast away with a fully auto weapon, but what good will it do if I can't hit shyte???? I'll stick with my semiauto or no auto rifle or shotgun anytime. If NY laws weren't so strict, I''d already have my 45 and 44, but, the laws and price for permits is NUCKING FUTS.

I do however own the following:
Savage Model 99 .300 Lever action (accurate at 600 yards, deadly at half a mile)
Savage 720 12gauge semi auto
Ithica 12gauge pump
Ruger .22 semiauto with 3 200 round mags (won't kill too easy, but have kept many off the property with it)

as well as

.22/250 rifle with 70 power sniper scope. Blow a tick off a persons hose at about a hlaf mile away.

double barrel 10 gauge
.270 bolt action rifle
another 12 gauge semiauto

I am also looking at a remington 1100 semi auto 12 gauge right now, as well as a really nice lever action 30.06 with a 10 power scope. Then after I get my carry permit for NY, I have a .44 mag lined up from my father, looking at two different 45's (Glock semi with laser and Colt 1911)

Yup, I might be a redneck, but with well over 7500 rounds in my home at this point, I will for a long time be a LIVING redneck.
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