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NEWS: "Annoying" Someone is Now A Federal Crime

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posted on Jan, 10 2006 @ 02:48 PM
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elderban


So, if I'm reading this correctly, if you "permit" any telecommunications as a second party, then you can be arrested as well...so this would affect the person "annoying" the person and possibly the person allowing the "annoyance" to happen, i.e. a forum or website.


No, you missed something important. The bit about intent. The quote you posted has an important caveat.

The ATS owners are on record numerous times saying they want just the opposite. They want people to collaborate and discuss, not flame and fight. The mods spend their time trying to mediate disputes, and remind those who've forgotten about the T&C. So the site owners have specifically put in place a framework to restrict abuse and annoyance, which I'd say pretty clearly demonstrates their intent.

I bet the ATS mods and super mods are responsible for this law. They probably all chipped in a bought a ninja lobbyist to sneak this little trojan into the business of the day down in Washington.


But in all seriousness this law hurts like a kick in the pants because the potential for abuse is so freakin' high.




posted on Jan, 10 2006 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
But in all seriousness this law hurts like a kick in the pants because the potential for abuse is so freakin' high.


I agree. It will operate in the same manner loitering laws affect free assembly.


Originally posted by WyrdeOne
I bet the ATS mods and super mods are responsible for this law. They probably all chipped in a bought a ninja lobbyist to sneak this little trojan into the business of the day down in Washington.



Really?


I thought I heard rumors of some guy running through the halls of Congress in red leotards, but I assumed it was some sort of performance art thing...

Just goes to show, there is a conspiracy everywhere you look.





posted on Jan, 10 2006 @ 03:55 PM
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Read the fine print the next time you use a worksite or campsite portapotty. There is a little decal that reads:



Warning: Throwing Of Questionable Materials Such As Paint, Solvents or Petroleum In This Unit Is A FEDERAL CRIME Punishable By A Fine, Jail Sentence, or Both.


I know of no one who has been incarcerated for dirtying a doody yet.

Carp! I have uttered yet another cow-ardly anonymous annoyance!


Could we not sue the gov't for ANNOYING us by ANNOUNCING this laughable law on the net?!

[edit on 10-1-2006 by Chakotay]



posted on Jan, 10 2006 @ 04:43 PM
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Is this ruling the reason one of the advertising banners that pops up upon coming to ATS, is a siren, that sounds out to alert all my coworkers that i am ATSing...?

that is annoying, and not good!



posted on Jan, 10 2006 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow

Poor dear sweet marg. And that horrid namehere! Look how he has upset her!



Hey it was just an example.



posted on Jan, 10 2006 @ 07:41 PM
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Newbie here! Probably won't be here long since I will have to use my true identity and cannot be annoying!

Bye 4 now!




posted on Jan, 11 2006 @ 02:23 PM
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CNet has posted a FAQ about the new law:
news.com.com...



posted on Jan, 11 2006 @ 02:32 PM
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Great link elderman, thanks.


Things are NOT looking good. Seems like another stomp on the Constitution, and a set up for McCarthy-like government control.



posted on Jan, 12 2006 @ 03:43 PM
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Question...

Do Bush supporters STILL not realize that this guy is bad news? Do y'all still support him? How much more ridiculous do things have to get for y'all to get it?



posted on Jan, 12 2006 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeka
Question...

Do Bush supporters STILL not realize that this guy is bad news? Do y'all still support him? How much more ridiculous do things have to get for y'all to get it?


question for you seeka...do you not think that FDR, who led us through the great depression and wwII, would have been impeached for the blatantly unconstitutional programs he set up if he had to deal with todays instant live media broadcasts and internet information outlets? the man basically took our country out of the sewer of the 1930's and made our country (for better or worse) what it is today, and yet he broke numerous laws to do it. illegal wire taps, herding american citizens into camps for fear of insurgent activities in the US, setting up socialist programs to rebuild the country and give work to the people. i know we will never agree on the issue of bush's leadership, but i think that in ten or fifteen years, the history books will show that most of what he has done was for the good of the people. i could always be wrong, but only time will tell.



posted on Jan, 12 2006 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by snafu7700

Originally posted by truthseeka
Question...

Do Bush supporters STILL not realize that this guy is bad news? Do y'all still support him? How much more ridiculous do things have to get for y'all to get it?


question for you seeka...do you not think that FDR, who led us through the great depression and wwII, would have been impeached for the blatantly unconstitutional programs he set up if he had to deal with todays instant live media broadcasts and internet information outlets? the man basically took our country out of the sewer of the 1930's and made our country (for better or worse) what it is today, and yet he broke numerous laws to do it. illegal wire taps, herding american citizens into camps for fear of insurgent activities in the US, setting up socialist programs to rebuild the country and give work to the people. i know we will never agree on the issue of bush's leadership, but i think that in ten or fifteen years, the history books will show that most of what he has done was for the good of the people. i could always be wrong, but only time will tell.


Nice try with the diversion...

Please explain to me how sending people to prison for annoying someone on the internet protects us from Al-CIAda or whatever Arab boogeyman is going to blow us up next? How does that contribute to bettering America?



posted on Jan, 12 2006 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeka

Nice try with the diversion...

Please explain to me how sending people to prison for annoying someone on the internet protects us from Al-CIAda or whatever Arab boogeyman is going to blow us up next? How does that contribute to bettering America?


it wasnt a diversion, but a sincere question. if you choose not to answer, that's your business. furthermore, if you check my other posts here, you will find that i disagree with this particular action. just because i dont bash the prez every chance i get does not mean that i agree with all of his policies.



posted on Jan, 12 2006 @ 07:40 PM
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I guess you just have to ask yourself how much of your personal freedoms you are willing to give just up to feel "a little bit safer".

Contrary to what Mr. Bush has said, "terrorism" has been around since one group has opposed another. It's not a "new war" or a "new enemy". In fact we've had "terrorist attacks" in the United States since the day the Declaration of Independence was signed. So, why do we need to make all of these changes to our personal liberties and freedoms for something that has been going on for hundreds, if not thousands, of years?

Additionally, this new "enemy" - as Bush calls it - wasn't created to stop the terrorists (even Bush said that they'll never be able to stop another attack on the US), but it was done to give carte blanche to the government to pursue policies that have absolutely nothing to do with "terrorists" or "terrorism" (Patriot Act, Patriot Act II, and the continuous erosion of our constitution and rights) not to mention give the military the biggest defense budget in the WORLD ($442 BILLION dollars for ONE year). Any time anyone opposes something Bush or the Bush administration wants, he either says "9/11" or "Either you're with me or you're with the terrorists" and people automatically cower and give in. Hell, it's getting to the point now where if you oppose ANYTHING Bush does or wants to do, you're considered a "terrorist" in the public eye. Which is the way he wants it. Can you imagine if there was a civil war right now? Bush would look at all of those opposing him and call them "terrorists". But at that point it would no longer be a democracy...it would be a dictatorship.

And, if you think what the current administration is doing is the right thing, keep in mind that the Germans thought Hitler was doing the "right thing"...and more than 5,000,000 Jewish people died.

I don't think I want to give up all of my freedoms and liberties just to wait and see how it "pans out" down the road. What if we do and find out that it was wrong? Then we wont have the power to change it because we would have given all the power to our government.

Some quotes to ponder:


It is naive to assume that tyrants appear only in other nations and that somehow America is immune simply because we're Americans. America has escaped the clutches of a dictatorship thus far only through the efforts of those citizens who, unlike the Germans of the 1930s, have the moral courage to stand up and point out where the government is lying to the people.


Source: Unknown


Like the Germans of 1930s Germany we see Der Fuhrer trying to distract the populace from the self-serving choices the government makes by creating a war with lies and deceptions, yet stay silent, less we be accused of being traitors to the national security. We voice our outrage when a rock star bares her breast at a sporting event, because rock stars cannot after all hurt us, raise our taxes, or conscript our children to be crippled or killed in wars. But we remain silent, or at best speak in hushed tones with a trusted few of our concerns about the government, which does hurt us, which does raise our taxes, and which has and continues to conscript our children to be crippled or killed in wars.

We are damned by our silence. We are damned by our inaction. We are damned by our fear to speak out. We are damned by our weakness. We are damned by being sheep under a government of wolves.


Source: www.whatreallyhappened.com...

[edit on 12-1-2006 by elderban]



posted on Jan, 12 2006 @ 10:34 PM
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Great post elderban - just one correction if I may?


Hitler did not kill only Jews - he killed the debilitated, disabled and vulnerable. He killed Gypsies and Ukrainians - in fact, together, Stalin and Hitler instituted eugenics policies that killed over 20,000,000 Ukrainians in the "Hidden Holocaust." Eugenics is about breeding for class - and if you're too smart for your class, or too sick to work, you are not wanted.

Point being - don't assume you're not a target just because you're not Jewish, black, Mexican, Indian or Chinese.




[edit on 12-1-2006 by soficrow]


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posted on Jan, 13 2006 @ 11:24 AM
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I think this law is a joke... Probably Bush and his cronies setting something up for use in the future...



posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 09:38 AM
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Solutions to this crap law.

1 Put the ats server outside the us or if ats does not own a server make a domain out of us.
2 Internal relgulations, any one that gets annoyed and complaints about it like a woos BAN!!!

3 Internal regulations 2 terms of use, any one that does not agree with the terms of use "in other words gets annoyed" can not join.

This law brakes every free minded idividual, it takes free speaking to a low level and puts presure on every one.
So if any one would recomand a new licence agreement for ats on the home page saing you get annoyed you cant enter, now hit i agree..........








[edit on 21-1-2006 by pepsi78]



posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 05:16 PM
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with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...


...like we don't have enough thought crimes already.

I have no intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person with the foolowing, I'm merely stating my position: f**k off Bush, and your little dog too!



posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by spamandham

I have no intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person with the foolowing, I'm merely stating my position: f**k off Bush, and your little dog too!


a very well thought out and mature post spam. that's the way to convince people that everything you say is complete BS (not that we really needed any further proof of that)!



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