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Irans President speaks on the New World Order

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posted on Jan, 8 2006 @ 11:11 PM
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IRAN: ISLAM CAN SAVE THE WORLD SAYS HARDLINE PRESIDENT

Qom, 5 Jan. (AKI) - Iran's recently elected hardline president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, claimed on Thursday that his government's number-one objective is to reach beyond national boundaries to reedeem the world in the name of Islam. "To take Islam throughout the world and save its oppressed populations is a duty for all Muslims, but right now it is the Iranian polity that must do this, " he told a crowd of clerics and theology sudents in the holy city of Qom.

"Led by Ayatollah Khomeini, we carried out the Islamic Revolution in Iran, whose principal objective was to change the world and show it the way of Islam," Ahmadinejad continued. "This movement must originate in Qom, Shiite and Iranian Islam's chief cultural centre. Qom forms our cultural calling card and credentials to revolutionise the current world order," he stressed.

"We need to re-write a number of Iran's laws to uphold the morality and dictates of Islam," Ahmadinejad concluded.
www.adnki.com...




Heres the man to launch the NWO, and if he hasnt got nukes already he will have them soon.

He publicly announces his wicked plans and ideas in the hope i assume of drumming up support.




posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 12:17 AM
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Number Cruncher, it's good to have you on ATS. For a conspiracy site, there seem to be an awfull lot of people determined to convince us all there is no "One World Everything" being brought in, despite the now long standing and accepted "Global Ecconomy".

It looks like this is just one more person trying to get us used to the idea that a NWO will fix the worlds many problems. It's particularly disturbing that Iran is pushing it as desirable for Islam because they sure do have the numbers and they are particularly 'obedient' to anything claimed to be on the side of Islam, whether it's in the Koran or not.

I more fear their 'radicals' voting in support for a NWO, and spreading acceptance of it in all parts of the world they've gained influence, than dodging suicide bombers. When you're dead you're dead but living under a system that could make any justifiable dissent worthy of inprisonment is terrifying.

Now lets see, the Pope, the leader of Islamic Iran, Bush, Blair, Howard and a host of other influencial people have all spoken of a NWO as some great, "perfectly normal" thing, and rather than folk getting up in arms, more and more are advocating it.

Looks like 'we've' lost already but if you ever have to trust an old multi racial woman ask her what the female equivalent to "John Smith" is. If she says "Suzy Ryan", you could probably trust her, it may be me.



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher

"Led by Ayatollah Khomeini, we carried out the Islamic Revolution in Iran, whose principal objective was to change the world and show it the way of Islam," Ahmadinejad continued. "This movement must originate in Qom, Shiite and Iranian Islam's chief cultural centre. Qom forms our cultural calling card and credentials to revolutionise the current world order," he stressed.



What? I don't see anything strange here... Where's the reference to the New World Order??? All what this crackpot president is talking about is that Islam will revolutionize the world as it is right now. He's probaly talking about bringing down the US's hegemony on the rest of the world, through Islam.

Could be interpreted as somekind of open conspiracy, but nothing to do with the New World Order conspiracy.



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 04:04 AM
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Ho Hum, I can call a cat a pussy but it's still what it is.

The only way The NWO can be brought in is if it gets support from the key people of all major 'groups'; athiests, Moslems, Christians, occultists etc.

This is also why I am so suspect of 'networking'.

What is the best way to bring down the US hegemony other than developing a 'new' global 'system'. Islam, as big as it is, couldn't do it alone.

It is a great mistake to call any president a 'crackpot', if to you that means they have no power or influence, or deeper understanding of the truth of 'the workings of rulers'.

When Islam, Catholicism, and Christitianity all start humming the same tune, as they have for some time, get ready to be 'drafted into the choir' or banished from 'the church'.



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 05:32 AM
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Whoa... lol, all start humming the same tune huh? Sure, they all believe in a god. Sure, they all may have mention or implied a world order. BUT, and here's the kicker... they want it for thier own religiong, not each other's. Damn, christians and catholics are the worst when it come's to argument's over who's religion is the right one. Hows that going to help in an NWO plot?

Let's not forget, he didn't directly say NWO. What you did do tho, was take what he said and twisted it in such a way to mean NWO. You failed tho. The word play, while clever isn't much help. Where are the actions that lead you to conclude NWO plot? Where's the actual WHOLE WORLD scenerio? All I see is this one itty bitty guy basicly glorifying his religion thinking someday most people will accept islam. I don't see him doing anything or leading anyone into an NWO plot. If you do, please, by all means show us so we can all see your NWO plot.



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 06:03 AM
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Well i havnt my envisioned plot "fully" worked out yet, but something like this ......





what is the new world order?
Its the theory based around a one world government. Some say its already here, other say its still to come, but the way it will work is basicly an international police state based around a Hitler type of figure as leader.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



Now research the massive historic Nazi/Islamic connections available, the Nazis sought there NWO ? now lets see who is left from the first failed attempt, left alone for decades to mutiply ..

Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini of Jerusalem was the head of the Muslim SS hansor division, he was also very close to Hitler and heavily involved with the holocaust, he is the uncle of Yasser Arafat(real name Mohammed Yasser Abdul-Ra'ouf Qudwa Al-Husseini)

Theres lots of search engine findable information and clear links involving the Grand Mufti to this day , Sadaam Hussein, the Muslim Brotherhood who then inturn took there teachings to BinLadin and Al Qaeda and many other key players.

Im still trying to peice in Irans president more closely than his speeches, i think the real NWO lays somewhere in this myriad of interconnected people.

I think there are others involved, maybe even some proxy stuff going down by a third party. Maybe China ?

Really all the Iranian president needs to be well on his way to his NWO is Nuclear Weapons for leverage and the unilateral Support of Islamic controlled countries. Maybe being Nuclear capable will be enough to garnish alot of that support ?

Has no body thought this could be the planned NWO or all to busy chasing the western trail ?

Lots of other little happenings pointing to this scenario ..

Like say France whos Muslim population is at 10pc and growing rapidly of seemingly very unhappy rioting people.

What if the development of nukes by Iran would able them to take one country at a time through Europe by planting nukes in Various citys and demanding surrendor or destruction ? And then ruling by fist ?

I know this theory still leaves gaping holes, they would still need control of Western Nations, maybe its death by biological weopons for those with the wrong DNA ?


Produkt on a side note you said " All I see is this one itty bitty guy basicly glorifying his religion thinking someday most people will accept islam"
But one of his first speeches as Iranian President he said Islam will RULE the world, i dont think he cares if its full of Dhimmi's, i guess they will need billions of Infidel slaves to serve tea and cookees or what ever ?

SO yes anyway im not much into the NWO thing, but this is just my little NWO thoughts, feel free to tell me im a maniac of whatever lol.



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 06:14 AM
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Let's think for a second. Right now the USA is one some big war against terror and any country developing nuke's are being suspect right now. Iran develope's nuke's, what do you think will happen? How is Iran being stupid and trying to develope nukes and planting them in cities going to help Iran's image? The USA will own them. The world wouldn't even let Iran develope nuke's.

Ok, so now we ruled out nukes. Now on to religion. Most of the religion in the USA is catholic and christian, two religion's who think very snobbish of themseve's, for example, each one think's they are the true religion of god. Roman catholics especially would not allow themselve's to succumb to islam. So, how does islam plan to persuade these religion's into accept islam if islam plants nukes in cities where the only course of action they'll get is a war from other nations including the one they planted the nukes in?

I can't stress this enough, if your going to post NWO plots, put some thought behind it. Ask youself these same common sense question's and then tell me how you think there's still an NWO plot.



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 06:24 AM
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But it can still be a plot, involving millions of his followers, we are though able to prove that it will be virtually impossible to pull off.

But none the less its still a "plot" imho.

Same with any NWO plot you can debunk alot of it using the same logic.NWO has to come from an established large group that gos along with it.

Are you going to sign up to some NWO ? NWO will be forced on us for it to succeed i would imagine.

Anyway theres probably no workable NWO plots, short of a World War again ...



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 06:34 AM
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From the Healine of the article
IRAN: ISLAM CAN SAVE THE WORLD SAYS HARDLINE PRESIDENT

As with Christianity, the religion of Islam decress that Islam is the only way to Allah, and that Islam must convert, whether through peaceful or physical means, the world to Islam. Hence, the assertion by the Ahmadinejad, who thinks he is the Muslin messiah, that Islam can only save the world.

Nothing new here to me.

The reference or insinuation to new world order is probably in relation to what Bush41 asserted prior to the Gulf War with Saddam over Kuwait. It is a reference that does not imply actual new world order, but one that implies those who will agree and/or support the notions of Iran and Ahmadinejad in the spread of Islam and how it can save the world. It is merely being used or insinuated by Ahmadinejad as a unifying message. Nothing attributed to the greater concept of a new world order, IMHO.







seekerof



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 06:36 AM
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How is it a plot on a worldwide scale when this tiny group would have to commit act's of terrorism in an attempt to gain even a small amount of control? And if/when they did threaten another country, or all countries at once, do you really think those countries would sit idle and allow such a thing to happen? I fail to see the logic behind such a plot. If the NWO were going to be forced upon us, how would they do such a thing? How can a one world government and religion be forced upon an entire world that can't even agree and get along? I still fail to see your logic in all this.



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 06:46 AM
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Yeah your right produkt theres little substance to my loose "plot" here, my first time in the NWO forum.

Ill just stick to my usual haunt of the Terror/current events i can see this forum will be a little to heavy for moi.


Please let thread die.



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by Produkt
How is it a plot on a worldwide scale when this tiny group would have to commit act's of terrorism in an attempt to gain even a small amount of control? And if/when they did threaten another country, or all countries at once, do you really think those countries would sit idle and allow such a thing to happen? I fail to see the logic behind such a plot. If the NWO were going to be forced upon us, how would they do such a thing? How can a one world government and religion be forced upon an entire world that can't even agree and get along? I still fail to see your logic in all this.

Simple: by force, if necessary, just as it was done in the past with the applications of the Crusades and Islamic Jihads. With the creation of League of Nations, after WWI, and subsequently the United Nations, after WWII, the notion of new world order was thought to have come into possibility. Today, the notion of new world order is simply that, a notion, yet to be implemented or fullfilled.

You have advocacy groups all over the world pushing the notion for a One World, all in the name of global peace and properity. In the past, there have been those who have gone before the United Nations asking for the creation of a UN sanctioned religious committee. Would this eventually lead to a one-world religion in the end? To some in the conspiracy-related world, it would.
God's Fatherland and the One World

Further, the UN has been claimed to be the instrument of a new world order, one that will have a one world religion:
United Nations plan to build a global religion

From a conspiracy-related standpoint, the notion of a new world order with a one world religion, etc. has long been contested and asserted. More can be found here [linked below] and/or by using other search engine methods. I am simply giving the example from one source with supporting links:
Clinton Global Initiative one-world government....

Implementation of a new world order has many questions being asked, as you have asked Produkt, but to be perfectly honest, not all that you have asked can be adequately answered. Again, to me, the notion of a new world order is simply what it is, a notion, yet to be implemented or fullfilled, if ever. But if one wanted a better example of a one world order/government, try watching Star Trek and how Earth was portrayed in that sci-fi long-running series.




seekerof

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posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 07:15 AM
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www.tldm.org...



As host of the U.N.'s Millennium Peace Summit of Religious and Spiritual Leaders, Jain told an international meeting of 1,000 delegates that religions need to accept the validity of all beliefs to attain world peace.

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And the URI, in which Jain is active and which was one of the partners for the summit, takes it even further. URI president Swing says, "There will have to be a godly cease-fire, a temporary truce where the absolute exclusive claims of each [religion] will be honored but an agreed-upon neutrality will be exercised in terms of proselytizing, condemning, murdering or dominating. These will not be tolerated in the United Religions zone."...


Can anyone care to explain how religous tolerance equal's one world religion? Or how religous tolerance attaining world peace equals evil NWO plot to control us all? Mind you... that's from your link.


www.usasurvival.org...

Amazingly, the article posted on this page was from 2002. My best guess would be the movement was unsuccesfull. Again tho, the theme seem's to be religous tolerance and not a one world religion.

An example using sci-fi/fantasy world's doesn't apply to reality. Those are make believe. We're talking about the real world here. The fact is (here in reality), there is not a single religion or government on the face of this Earth that would agree to joining a one world government or religion. As for forcing them, a small group of people pushing for a world government wouldn't succeed at all, period. They would be considered traitors and or terrorist's and would be dealt with accordingly by the laws of whichever country the reside in. Yes, there are people who talk about an NWO, but that isn't evidence nor proof of an NWO. There may be people who push for a NWO concept, good or evil, that still doesn't mean it will ever happen. The fact is, mankind itself wouldn't let it happen.



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by Produkt
An example using sci-fi/fantasy world's doesn't apply to reality. Those are make believe. We're talking about the real world here. The fact is (here in reality), there is not a single religion or government on the face of this Earth that would agree to joining a one world government or religion. As for forcing them, a small group of people pushing for a world government wouldn't succeed at all, period. They would be considered traitors and or terrorist's and would be dealt with accordingly by the laws of whichever country the reside in. Yes, there are people who talk about an NWO, but that isn't evidence nor proof of an NWO. There may be people who push for a NWO concept, good or evil, that still doesn't mean it will ever happen. The fact is, mankind itself wouldn't let it happen.

I guess you forgot to read my continued, emphasized, and insinuated disclaimers? My continued mention of notion of?
You rapping against what I have been giving as examples is mute.
Let me say it again for you, that I initially stated from my first post to this topic:


Again, to me, the notion of a new world order is simply what it is, a notion, yet to be implemented or fullfilled, if ever.






seekerof



posted on Jan, 9 2006 @ 07:47 AM
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Yes, but when you or anyone else are posting links that make these notion's sound remotley plausible, I do think I'm within my right's to ask where's the logic.

"You have advocacy groups all over the world pushing the notion for a One World, all in the name of global peace and properity."

Was this not your own saying? Then followed by your link that talked nothing more then religous tolerance and not the pushing of a one world notion.



posted on Jan, 10 2006 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by Produkt
Yes, but when you or anyone else are posting links that make these notion's sound remotley plausible, I do think I'm within my right's to ask where's the logic.

Agreed, but likewise learn to comprehend what people are saying as well.
I explicitly stated, when providing those links, that from a conspiracy-related standpoint, perspective, or view. I also stated as an example, an example of, simply giving an example.





Was this not your own saying? Then followed by your link that talked nothing more then religous tolerance and not the pushing of a one world notion.

Yes, I did say it, but you have not disproved what you cited me saying, have you? There are advocacy groups seeking, promoting, etc. a One World. Care to disprove what I said? And as to the links that followed up, read the above commentary. The links were given with an insinuated or implied disclaimer.

Heads-up, Produkt, this IS a conspiracy site, the notion of the new world order is a conspiracy-related topic and issue. Your attempt to refute or debunk the notion of a new world order is admirable, per se', because it is apparently what you believe, but likewise, you need to seriously read and comprehend what people are saying instead of hastily attempting to refute or debunk what is said. I have never stated that I believed in the notion of a new world order, though the notion and incarnation of such a notion is a historical fact.
Furthermore, most of your refuting has come with nothing sourced or cited to back your repeated "There is no new world order," and around here, your simply spouting or saying such is not going to cut it for most members here. You might want to attepnmt to source and back your assertions at one point, maybe? Just a thought and/or bit of advice.

Now whether it, the notion of the new world order, ever comes to reality is another matter all together, but again, in your haste to refute or debunk, you need to really take the time to read and comprehend what people are saying, for some here, including me, do not necessarily believe or agree with such a notion, the notion is a conspiracy-related topic and issue, and you are on a conspiracy site....






seekerof

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posted on Jan, 10 2006 @ 05:43 AM
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Seekerof,

Your right, this is a concpiracy site. It would also help people's argument that we are headed into an evil NWO empire if they would just do something so simple it amaze's me. Post they're source's and evidence that prove what they are claiming is true. I'm not trying to deny the notion of an NWO. I'm fully aware of the advocacy groups. What I fail to see is what other's are seeing. Another interesting thing about a discussion board is... well, discussing the topic. As your well aware, everyone is going to have different opinion's on everything. Concpiracies aren't exempt from this in any way whatsoever.

I am reading what these people are saying. All I'm trying to do is ask for better source's and evidence. The motto of this site is deny ignorance right? Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but providing source's and evidence of an evil NWO world wide plot would be denying ignorance whereas just saying there's reptilians in control without proving it would be a rather ignorant statement. Or am I completely missing the point of this site?



posted on Jan, 10 2006 @ 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by Produkt
I am reading what these people are saying.

Then please do not assume that those who do post to topics on the notion of the new world order are advocating or necessarily agreeing with such a notion.




All I'm trying to do is ask for better source's and evidence. The motto of this site is deny ignorance right? Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but providing source's and evidence of an evil NWO world wide plot would be denying ignorance whereas just saying there's reptilians in control without proving it would be a rather ignorant statement. Or am I completely missing the point of this site?

Denying Ignorance would include or mean that you indulge or immerse yourself into the multitudes of new world order topics within this very forum, and investigate yourself as to their legitmacy? I would agree that some tend to simply throw out links and notions of reptillian control, etc. I simply tend to shrug them off instead of refuting. Opinions and beliefs will vary, hence tolerance is needed instead of assumptions.
My best to you in your stay here within ATS. This forum is a bit of voodoo to me anyhow. I seldom post within it. As such, probably time for me to exit back out of this forum before it becomes contagious.






seekerof



posted on Jan, 10 2006 @ 06:10 AM
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I understand what your saying. I would just like more evidence and a better thought out idea of why people think this. I'm sorry, but for me posting a link about the AFP needing DNA sample's doesn't scream of evil NWO plot to me. After reading the article's posted, it was fairly easy to understand why the AFP would do it also. Instead this site has people taking their "sources" out of context and trying to pass it off as NWO when it applie's to but a select few.

I've already stated this numerous time's. You wouldn't KNOW there's an NWO if there was one. DNA sample could be easily taken the day your born without anyone's concent nor knowledge. Do you think your parent's are going to grill the doctor as to exactly what they're taking blood for. Do you really think parent's are going to say no I don't want my baby's fingerprints and footprints taken because I think your a bunch of evil NWO'ers?

Seekerof, thing's like that no one can prove. Claiming however that a mundane harmless piece of technology is part of an evil plot however is very disprovable.



posted on Jan, 10 2006 @ 06:21 AM
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New World Order or Globalisation cant be avoid, it´s natural progress.
From tribes to kingdoms, to nations, to unions to one world government.
But I think we have to reshape the system.

Free market capitalism and its high priests is not healthy , we see examples of that when big biz says no to things like the Kyoto-treaty. To gather under a religion is just as stupid.
No..I think we need to bring democracy in to the global community. Democracy at this moment in history is just something that can be done on a domestic level. On the global arena the market rules and play countries against each other..making the peoples voices worthless.

We should create a world parlament and stick the middle finger up to the current powerstructure.








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