Originally posted by RSAJIM
The broederbond is against freemasonry in princepal, but has been infiltrated at high level due to the like of Pik Botha and De Klerk.

Mandela is a mason Mbheki is a mason Zuma recently became a mason.

Where are you getting your "facts"?

Although there have been many Freemasons in South African political history (for example, every single one of the presidents of the previous Orange Free State (1854 - 1902) were Freemasons), and while it is true that Parliament is situated on ground owned by the Freemasons, I think you're just pulling names of political leaders out of a hat and saying that they're Masons to suit some or other agenda that you might have.

Of the names you mentioned, only Pik Botha is a Mason.

Neither De Klerk, Mandela, Mbeki or Zuma are, or ever have been Masons.

Hey odd nick i know but it it what it says...I am the granddaughter of a member of one of the most influential secret organizations in South Africa. The Afrikaner Broeder Bond. Of late i have been hearing rummer of their involvement in the Freemasons...My question? Is this true?
Just to add on Does anyone here know about the AB? I can't speak to my grandfather because he is frustratingly closed mouth about the whole business. I only know that he is/was a member for three reasons.
I found his name in a book where a reporter made public the names of more than1800 of their members.
My mother has told me about meetings held in the house when she was living at home. And last but not least i have recently come across a news letter sent to my grandfather by the organization.

Awesome thread guys I enjoy reading this stuff

Originally posted by Saurus
By the way, there is something about the Freemasons Hall in Park Lane, Johannesburg, has never ceased to amaze me. One of the stained glass windows in the heart of the building was found on a battle field in 1880, and is of unknown age. This stained glass window depicts a (UFO) flying saucer. Considering that the window is at least 130 years old, I think it's pretty amazing!

I'll take a picture next time I visit there and put it up here...

As promised...

Some say it's a hat, others a UFO, but if you're standing there looking at it, and see the windows and lights on the "hat", one cannot help but think it might just be a UFO. At least, I'm convinced, along with quite a few of my brethren...

Originally posted by Saurus
The origin of the stained glass window is what makes it so interesting. The window was found on a battle field in 1880, and is of unknown age (at least 130 years, from the date on which it was found!)

Found on a battle field? That's ... highly unlikely??

Thanks so much for posting this! Most interesting.

In Cape Town, that 'Lodge de Banqueting Goede Hoop & Hall' is next to Parliament. That isn't marked, or anything, on the building. Also next to Parliament, on another nearby side (I was there today.), is a Slave Lodge building. This housed slaves in those colonial times. (Incidentally, Cape Town is also the only place on the African continent that brought slaves from elsewhere in Africa.) It's a museum now. It was the Cultural History Museum. It's now the Slave Lodge - changing its image to that time in history.
Anyway, upstairs displays are still of previously. One display is to do with the history of Freemasonary in South Africa. It shows e.g. symbols, with jewelry pieces, etc. A note says that Freemasonary expanded a lot in the 1850s & 60s. That was even although there was quarrelling between the Dutch and English lodges, and church opposition especially from the Dutch Reformed Church, and less from the Catholic Church. From the late 1800s it began to loose plenty of influence it had in public and state affairs. Today, Masonic insignia and ritual are very much around. The influence is limited to educational and charitable affairs. (I remember also seeing that at a festival I went to, at end of February this year.)
There's the unpublished notion 'The Origins and Growth of Freemasonry in South Africa 1712 - 1876' by A.A. Cooper.
Today in South Africa are 4 separate Masonic structures - English, Irish, Scottish and South African (Old Netherlandic). These are independent but collaborate on many different levels.
I'd say that Freemasonry is not negative, and has some advanced teachings not meant for the general public. (It's like Gnosticsm (which it's linked to, anyway) in Christianity, the Kaballah in Judaism, and Sufism in Islam.)

Got posters of the painting at parents house both the old version and new, A lot you people don't know about the importance in south Africa.