reply to post by jeasahtheseer
I think "Illuminati" has become a general term for the secret society behind the secret societies, or the inner groups at the top of every social
pyramid that pulls the strings and manipulates behind the scenes. Of course my view on this is open to correction and broadening.
The Masonic symbolism across SA towns is indeed wipespread. The top Voortrekkers like Piet Retief were apparently Masons of the old Dutch Goedehoop
order, and they spread this symbolism where-ever they founded towns.
The book "Dokument X" speaks of a secret group with international and CIA ties called "Die Wyse Manne" (Afrikaans for the "wise men"). Although
the book is full of conspircacy claims by an unidentified ex-secret agent, the "Wyse Manne" are also referred to in the MSM book: "Publish and be
Damned" by Chris Steyn Barlow. the memoirs of this reporter point out how the Wyse Manne were mentioned in the media, and then the claims were
quickly dismissed as fairytales, by the very people who made them. The Wyse Manne are seemingly a core group from the former Broederbond and select
black former liberationists, as well as as some leading industrialists, but most are unknown. I was personally taken aside and told not to talk about
them in public at a pub once, although the books are (or at least were) in the our local library!
The Wyse Manne controlled the Broederbond and the super-Afrikaners under apartheied, but they were also in contact with the ANC, and some like Pik
Botha were allegedly double agents who had both CIA and KGB contacts.
Broadly there were three groups in the ANC towards the late 1980s. The "old men" on the island, the UDM in the country and the Lusaka group in
exile. The Lusaka group were promised leadership if they got rid of Winnie Mandela and Chris Hani (a request of the CIA) in public life. Hani was
assassinated by a right wing patsy (and even some ANC members believe it was an inside job to pave the way for Mbeki's Presidency). However, the
Lusaka group were also bribed and black-mailed, with evidence of massive drug running and individual drug addiction. In summary, they control both the
ANC and the white right parties, such as the Freedom Front (who are often a means of surveilence).
But that book was in 2002, and I'd really love to know what the purpose of Julius Malema is, and who his handlers are?
For the details of "Dokument X" see the link, unfortunately the short write-up is in Afrikaans, but it is available in English and I've generally
written here what it says: www.vaandel.co.za...
[edit on 31-3-2010 by halfoldman]