View footage of 2nd JFK shooter here, page 1

There is a documentary called the day the dream died about the murder of JFK. I think it was shown in the 80's and was shelved for years because of the shocking footage. It's made by some guy called Chris Plumley.

For me, it ends all arguments that Oswald was the only gunman. The CIA tried to block the release of this documentary because of the facts it exposes.

This doc has the infamous footage of the man with a rifle on the grassy knoll. Why has it never made the media?

You can see some trailers for it here:

www.ricenpeas.com...

Val

You can download the Nix film from here, it also has the Muchmoore film as well...

www.jfkjr.com...

Ive made a topic with "photos" of the second gunman running away.

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That's suppose to be James Files running away in the red circle, keep in mind this is a little long after the murder.



That guy says he was on the grassy knoll. For some reason I think he's full of crap because if you shot the president, would you tell anyone? Even if everyone doesn't believe you?

"I killed JFK."
"Sure, right, I did too."
"No really I did!"
"Get off me you homeless freak! Get a job."


But for some reason this guy's hair and the ricenpea's enhanced image's guy's hair look the same. I still doubt he did it.

What do you guys think?

[edit on 11-1-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

Have any of you seen this new, stabilized version of the original Zapruder film of the JFK assassination?

If you have not seen it, here's a link: www.jfkmurdersolved.com...

Warning, it is VERY graphic (much moreso than the non-stabilized version of the film, because you can really see the gore, in all its detail, without the shaky camera).

Watching that film, there's absolutely NO question that the shot did, in fact, come from behind.

Remember, when a bullet hits a head, the entry wound is often very small, and very clean. The exit wound is what explodes, as the bullet tears its way out of the skull. Because of this violent exit force, the head will jerk back towards the shooter, and not away from it, as might initially be the logical thought.

Simply put, and as can be seen in the newly stabilized Zapruder film, the initial impact causes a forward jerk of the head, followed by a slower movement backwards, as the bullet travels through the skull, creating the force that causes the exit explosion, followed, finally, by a slump forward, as he dies.

More on head-shot ballistics can be found here:

karws.gso.uri.edu...

All this said, it proves to me that the fatal shot did, in fact, come from the Book Depository. I'm not willing to completely disregard the idea of a second, or even third shooter. I'm also not willing to disregard conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination. It does make for another possible conspiracy theory, however: suppose Oswald did act alone, and actually thwarted the CIA/Cuban/Whoever else that was actually planning on assassinating JFK simply by beating them to the punch. Suppose Oswald really was made to be the patsy, not by government involvement, but out of convenience - he was in the right place at the right time, and had the same ideas as whoever else was trying to assassinate JFK.

Speculation on conspiracy theories regarding this can go on forever. As far as the shot itself, having seen the stabilized version of the Zapruder film, however, I think it pretty much closes the case as to where the shot came from.

chissler, I think some of the information about the assassination has changaed from 40+ years ago.
I haven't finished the book, but Mark Lane published Rush to Judgment in 1966. It was his take on the Warren Commission.

I get the impression that it was widely known that the fatal shot came from the front pre Warren Commission findings.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Vinci
Explain to me please the holes on his head then.

I'll let the autopsy notes explain:

www.thesmokinggun.com... (six pages of scans from the original autopsy notes)

Full collection of information at The Smoking Gun Website (Warning, some material is graphic)

Ballistics findings from JFK Autopsy

How about magically disappearing autopsy notes? They can be found here

Given these autopsy notes, and a clearer version of the Zapruder tape, it can be concluded that the reason he first turns his head to Jackie is because of the first shot (which apparently came from somewhere besides the Book Depository), yet it's quite clear in the now-stabilized footage that the fatal shot did, in fact, come from behind. The autopsy notes tend to support this.

All in all, there were three noted entry wounds in JFK's body, and only one can be confirmed as coming from behind - the fatal shot.

As I said in my original post on this thread, I do NOT disregard many of the consipracy theories on the assassination. He was OBVIOUSLY shot by multiple shooters. All I am saying is that the fatal shot (which was only one of the three shots) came from behind, most likely from Oswald, in the Book Depository. This should be obvious from the autopsy results and from the stabilized version of the Zapruder film. There was no magic bullet. There were multiple shooters, yet it was still Oswald that hit the mark, and made the kill.

All this proves is who shot JFK. This proves nothing beyond that. There is no real motive. There is no proven information about the other shooters (even though it's obvious that Oswald was not alone). This does not disprove any conspiracy theories. This simply proves that Oswald did make the fatal head shot.

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