All the talk about 911 here, is, imo, a bit of a distraction. Operation Northwoods is disturbing enough as it is. If 911 was a false flag operation
(which it wasn't) they didn't need Operation Northwoods to do it.
The people that ploted Operation Northwoods were, effectively, rejected and derailed, they were sidelined within the establishment, to a various
degrees anyway, and the cabal (literally) pretty much ended with Northwoods. Rumsfeld wasn't a student of Lemnitz or anything like that.
Originally posted by jsobecky
This didn't happen in a vacuum.
I understand, the threat of internationalist revolutionary communism was very real and very great. Still does not justify treachery.
If guilty are to be named, start with Eisenhower.
Eisenhower had nothign to do with this actual plot to kill americans, to betray an army in the field, and to destroy private american property. This
is like saying 'Its ok that I killed a bunch of people, I wasn't hugged enough as a child'. This was a plot hatched by a group of people, I agree,
there was a context, and they weren't doing it without reason. Regardless, it was traitorous, and traitors should be executed. The romans used to
consider this sort fo thing similar to parricide. When someone commited actual parricide, they'd put them into a sack with a wild and ravenous
babboon and a visious snake, sew it closed, and dump them into the Tiber. Thats how foul
being a traitor to the patria
But don't condemn the whole USA,
I'm not. Indeed, once again the incredible sagacity of the Founders comes through here, nearly two
hundred years after they made the government. They made the office of the president the cheif commander of the entire military, and thus put civilian
control over the military. It was that civilian control that stopped this, in the person of kennedy. And kennedy can hardly be said to be soft on
communists, he started vietnam and went to the brink of nuclear war over cuba. But even he realized that this Operation Northwoods was
The military is, as often described by its own members, 'the biggest, meanest dog on the block'. It serves to destroy the enemy when
says "Sick'em!", not to determine when there is a war nor manufacture one. Its supposed to be made up of warriors, not policy
the office of the presidency,
The presidency is the hero
of this story. Its the actual figures that came up with and recommended this plan that are the criminals.
And it in no way justifies a conclusion about 9/11.
I'd agree, that there is no need to propose that 911 was a new northwoods, since al-qaida clearly exists and has attacked the US before.
, if you think Northwoods woudl've been justified in the face of the admitedly wildly dangerous communists, would
, if true, a
new northwoods have been worth, say, pacifying the entire middle east, stamping out radical islamist fundamentalism, stopping the dangerous social
instability wrt islamism that we are seeing in france and now australia, and ensuring the perpetual and proper flow of oil to all civilized nations of
I don't think it'd be worth it, but if betraying an entire army in the field is worth having war with cuba
, not even all of communism but
cuba, then why wouldn't the same logic apply?
Someone asked, did GWB ever hear about this? What would be your best guess on that?
Of course he heard about it. I doubt 911 was a new northwoods though.
but it seems that in the Northwood Project, it would involve no real casualties.
No. That is not the case. Part
of Northwoods was to have these manufactured incidents where there were a few servicemen killed. Other
parts of it were to blow up factories and commit acts of sabotage and blame it on communist cuban agents. And one plan was to have send in a small US
force, inform the cubans about it and give them top secret information about it so they could defeat it
. This was a huge
some military analysts who have been a bit "wacky" in some of their contingencies plans
This was not some 'out-of-the-box' strategizers within the military, this was very high level pentagon brass directly recommending to the president
what amounts to acts of treason
, and plotting to kill hundreds of americans.
This is just a few lines from Wikipedia on the subject,
I would look for citations outside of wikipedia for something like this.
This is a document that was created by a few memebers of the military and it was never 'officially' submitted or used.
This was a plan created by top level brass in the pentagon who'd been higher ups for a long while and submited directly to the president of the US.
It doesn't get more official than that. The only reason it never happened was because the civilian government rejected it.