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Originally posted by Shadow88
On par with being able to find cures for some types of obesity, some might be interested that we apparently have a 6th taste sensation (other than sweet, salty, bitter etc). The fat taste buds.
Yes they state that we can actually experience a taste sensation of fat (which of course like sweet tasting, sour, bitter, salty etc are all pleasurable in theirown ways), leading perhaps to addiction and you know how the rest goes. Link
Also whats this?Contraversial device claims to "melt away" fat
Oh and this ones obvious...but now they have a direct link which is always good.Metabolism rules weight loss?
Finally i think this may be related to the last one but i havent read it properly. Fat busting jab. the new liposuction?
Originally posted by bsl4doc
Soficrow, your whole arguement is medically unsound.
Originally posted by Shadow88
My previous post
Originally posted by Shadow88
On par with being able to find cures for some types of obesity, some might be interested that we apparently have a 6th taste sensation (other than sweet, salty, bitter etc). The fat taste buds.
Yes they state that we can actually experience a taste sensation of fat (which of course like sweet tasting, sour, bitter, salty etc are all pleasurable in theirown ways), leading perhaps to addiction and you know how the rest goes. Link
Also whats this?Contraversial device claims to "melt away" fat
Oh and this ones obvious...but now they have a direct link which is always good.Metabolism rules weight loss?
Finally i think this may be related to the last one but i havent read it properly. Fat busting jab. the new liposuction?
bsl4doc - I wrote my previous post in response to your challenge and queries. You said the articles I listed as coming from a search for induced obesity had nothing to do with obesity, and challenged me to explain their relevance to the topic. I did so.
In the process, I identified the fact that the evidence suggests very clearly that the obesity epidemic results directly from endemic contamination of the food supply with myco- and neurotoxins. Evidence also suggests that GM food is linked to obesity.
Now you are saying, "There is no problem. Move along now."
Deep. Unbiased. Well thought out. Well-documented. Bravo.
Seems to me you are supporting the corporate-medical position that only acute symptoms are worthy of attention, and only direct cause-and-effect relationships are of legitimate concern.
I stated clearly that obesity-related syndromes are multifactorial - meaning that many factors contribute to disease. I also said chronic exposure to low level biotoxin contaminations creates chronic disease - which now is epidemic in the world.
My focus is to investigate the factors and relationships between the factors. It appears to me that your agenda is to prevent fruitful investigation.
Originally posted by bsl4doc
And you are suggesting that we somehow step outside the bounds of biological science (seeing as biological science is about cause and effect relationships)
and somehow see relationships which aren't entirely there?
believe it or not, nearly every pathogen has characteristic acute symptoms, such as elevated acidosis, chronic headaches, etc. The symptoms are too numerous to name here.
I still stand by my statement that the virus presence could be due to a semi-compromised immune system.
quote: Originally posted by bsl4doc
And you are suggesting that we somehow step outside the bounds of biological science (seeing as biological science is about cause and effect relationships)
Yes.
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and somehow see relationships which aren't entirely there?
Systems biology is cutting edge - molecular biologists now are working with physicists - great leaps and strides are occurring in multi-disciplinary projects and organizations.
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believe it or not, nearly every pathogen has characteristic acute symptoms, such as elevated acidosis, chronic headaches, etc. The symptoms are too numerous to name here.
This is what is recognized. The fact that chronic disease now is epidemic worldwide illustrates clearly that the dogma is missing something - chronic diseases do not happen overnight, nor are they solely the product of an individuals lifestyle.
Everything comes together to have a biological effect - and science is just now getting on the problem. But it is getting on it.
quote: I still stand by my statement that the virus presence could be due to a semi-compromised immune system.
Absolutely - cutting edge science in systems biology also makes it quite clear that other factors almost are guaranteed to be involved as well. Some of the most obvious factors contributing to compromised immune systems are:
* chronic low level exposures to biotoxins in food;
* chronic low level exposure to hormones and hormone-like compounds in the food supply and personal products;
* electromagnetic pollution;
* chemical pollution;
BTW - Congratulations on your medical studies. Gotta say tho, you guys have it EASY in Italy. I do not know anyone who went through med school with more than 15 minutes of personal time each day - for showering and toileting, socializing, and having a life. You need to know that you are lucky to have so much time to play on the net!
Originally posted by bsl4doc
BTW - Congratulations on your medical studies. Gotta say tho, you guys have it EASY in Italy. I do not know anyone who went through med school with more than 15 minutes of personal time each day - for showering and toileting, socializing, and having a life. You need to know that you are lucky to have so much time to play on the net!
Congratulation on not knowing anything about the medical education system! The third and fourth years are comprised of hospital internships, just like in the United States. It means we have no classes, we learn by doing, and we typically work 12 hours and have off for 12 hours, just like in the United States, also. But, thanks for being critical of me on an issue you know nothing about! Lends real creedence to your post. A domani!
The rate of serious medical errors committed by first-year doctors in training (interns) in two intensive care units (ICUs) at a Boston hospital fell significantly when traditional 30-hour-in-a-row extended work shifts were eliminated and when interns' continuous work schedule was limited to 16 hours, according to two complementary studies published in the October 28, 2004, issue of the New England Journal of Medicine. Both studies were funded by HHS' Agency for Healthcare Research (AHRQ) and Quality and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Interns made 36 percent more serious medical errors, including five times as many serious diagnostic errors, on the traditional schedule than on an intervention schedule that limited scheduled work shifts to 16 hours and reduced scheduled weekly work from approximately 80 hours to 63. The rate of serious medication errors was 21 percent greater on the traditional schedule than on the new schedule.
In the first research of its kind on the impact of lack of sleep on the safety of hospital care, researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston eliminated the traditional schedule that required interns-doctors who have completed medical school and are finishing their medical training by working in the hospital-to work "extended duration work shifts" of approximately 30 consecutive hours every other shift. Under the traditional schedule, interns in hospital ICUs were scheduled to work approximately 80 hours per week. Under the intervention schedule that was tested in the studies, the "extended duration work shift" was eliminated, and weekly scheduled work hours were decreased by approximately 20 hours. Interns also were encouraged to sleep on their time off and to take naps before night shifts.
Originally posted by Shadow88
We could engineer a virus to do the exact opposite of the virus in question right? Why not?
Or whats to stop us engineering a (curable, non contageous) virus that rapidly increases the metabolism of its host?
Or nanobots which fill sacks attached to themselves with fat and redirect it to the bowels, where its excreted from the body?
Fat eating virus?
At least three viruses may cause humans to gain weight, a finding that could explain why obesity can affect many people in the same region over relatively short periods. ...According to a study published in this month's American Journal of Physiology- Regulatory, Integrative and Comparative Physiology, scientists now think a vaccine could prevent some people from becoming obese. ...In the United States alone, the prevalence of obesity among adults has doubled in recent years and it has tripled among children.
"There is a strong social bias against such findings because many people want to believe obesity is due to an individual's lack of control on some personal, mental level, but we now think viruses may be a factor," said Leah Whigham, lead author of the study and a research associate in the Department of Nutritional Sciences at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.
The viruses are transmitted by direct contact and through the air. ...Since 50 such viruses could be involved and all require further study, Whigham thinks a vaccine could take 5 to 10 years or more to develop.
Study: Virus Causes Obesity
Originally posted by suzy ryan
Hamberglar, you vaccinate against viruses with manipulated viruses, it's very much on topic.