Mind Control List

I thought it might be a good idea to start a thread where people could name those that they think were victims of mind control (assassins, serial-killers etc...). We could get a list going and then debate the evidence to support or deny.

MKULTRA was far more prevalent than a lot of people suspect.

The individual I'm going to kick off with is 60's folk singer Phil Ochs.

Wikipedia doesn't mention Ochs' transformation into 'John Train'. The beliggerant CIA alter-ego that controlled Ochs until his death.

-"Oswald." Not the American-born defector, but the dude that came back from the Soviet Union.

- "Sirhan Sirhan." The dude that is supposed to have killed bobby kennedy. In "Search for the Manchurian Candidate," I remember reading that investigators found notebooks with line after line of "I feel an increasing urge to take the life of RFK," or something like that. Pure re-education material.

- The Manson family.

- Tom Cruise. He's been "handled" for so long by the cult he bankrolls, that he's pretty divorced from reality. He tries to "project" a given emotion, the way they do during E-meter sessions. He's gotten positive reward socially inside scientology for just "emoting" all over people. but when he does it out in the real world, the rest of us freak out.

- Madonna. Like Cruise, 'cept it's the Kabbalists who have gotten ahold of her.

- Tim Russert. When the interviewee uses certain "keywords," Russert literally freezes for seconds at a time. Like he's been trained to hold on certain phrases. wierd.

- Osama Bin Laden. When you watch the propoganda footage of him, he is looking down and to the left all the time, then exhaling before talking. He isn't trying to recall information, since people look up and generally to the right when doing so. He is not recalling info, but searching for the mental state he has found peace in. One that is probably trance induced. Maybe not a victim of direct "outside" mind control--- maybe just a guy who's gotten addicted to meditation, and using religious ritual to find relief from extreme stress.

I think Mark David Chapman can make his way onto the list...

Then this morning I went to the bookstore and bought The Catcher in the Rye. I’m sure the large part of me is Holden Caulfield, who is the main person in the book. The small part of me must be the Devil.
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It was a ruse. I really didn't want his signature, I wanted his life. And I ended up taking both."

And maybe it's safe to add John Hinckley as well?

At 1:30 p.m., John Hinckley Jr. stepped forward from a crowd of television reporters and fired six shots from a Rohm R6-14 revolver. The bullets from Hinckley’s gun struck Ronald Reagan in the left chest, Press Secretary James Brady in the left temple, Officer Thomas Delahanty in the neck, and Security Agent Timothy J. McCarthy in the stomach. Hinckley was immediately arrested, and his trial began over a year later, on May 4, 1982. On June 21, 1982, after seven weeks of testimony and three days of deliberation by the jury, John Hinckley Jr. was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

I've always felt pretty confident that Jim Jones was involved in the CIA and Jonestown was a massive mind control experiment. Jones' repeated mentioning of the CIA, their questionable funding, and the fact that low income and minorities were the largest groups involved all lead me to that conclusion. I'm obviously not the only one, the Jonestown Wikipedia article mentions the Jonestown/CIA connection as well.

So does the book "The search for the Manchurian Candidate."

And, contrary to what most people have been told, the vast majority of peeps at Jonestown did NOT commit suicide. They were murdered by machete and machine gun. Only the last 90 or so (out of hundreds!) drank the coolaid.

What about the belief of mind control within the U.S. Postal Service?

From 1989 alone:

John Merlin Taylor, a 52-year-old mail carrier in Escondido, CA, was described as mellow and friendly by friends and fellow employees. Taylor shot and killed his wife and two co-workers before killing himself.

William Charles Camp, 62, El Cajon, a postal worker, described as easy going. Camp hung himself in his garage.

Donald Martin Mace, 44, a Poway letter carrier, shot himself in the lobby of the local post office- after responsibly turning in his keys.

Hector Manuel Rubio, 40, a Pacific Beach postal clerk, hung himself with a weight-lifting belt in his home.

Jay Thomas Fanum, a postal clerk in Vista, perished from carbon monoxide poisoning in his own garage.

Hector Torres, age unknown, a San Diego postal clerk, plummeted to his death from the Coronado bridge.


Mark Hillburn, a postal worker in Dana Point, CA, killed his girlfriend and several other postal employees in a frenzy of jealous rage in 1993. Was his girlfriend, a supervisor, a behavioural modification specialist conducting classified research?

Bruce Clark, a postal worker in the City of Industry in California, was another. In 1995, Clark met a co-worker and shot him for no apparent reason. He had no criminal history.

A man carrying a gun, dressed as a National Parks Service ranger, was arrested on October 6, 1995 in Yonkers, New York. He stole onto the seminary grounds where Pope John Paul II had spoken a few hours later. His name was William Wylong, a 45-year-old postal worker. He claimed to be there to "protect" the pope. - Alex Constantine 'Virtual Government'(Feral House Publications 1997)

Another is the most famous "crazy" postal worker, David Berkowitz, the "Son of Sam".

Served in Navy,
Place of Incident Luby's Cafeteria: Killeen Tx (Ft Hood Military Base)
Definately an experiment gone awry

On October 16, 1991, George Hennard drove a 1987 Ford Ranger pickup truck into Luby's Cafeteria at Killeen TX. Hennard yelled "This is what Bell County has done to me!" then opened fire with a Glock 17 and later a Ruger P89, killing 22 people.





George Hennard

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Before going on to Luby's, I'd like to tarry a bit over the phenomenon of "going postal."

Just what is it about the USPS that is so mind-warpingly, de-humanizingly stressful?

They never seem to be in much of a hurry when I'm trying to get my Christmas gifts mailed on time.

Maybe it vapors from the glue in all those envelopes.

Or maybe it's the soap opera of vying for promotion in a big government bureaucracy that isn't even trying to turn a profit, but instead rates its employees on "other criteria."

Just curious.

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originally posted by dr_strangecraft:"Just what is it about the USPS that is so mind-warpingly, de-humanizingly stressful?"

I don't know. When I worked in the postal service I noticed that "Honeywell" had offices just next door. Everyone at work seemed to be in a high state of aggression. I myself succumbed and I am usually very placid. I used to think that "Honeywell" had some kind of ULF weapon pointed at our offices.

[edit on 16-1-2006 by Beelzebubba]

Originally posted by magnito_student
Hennard yelled "This is what Bell County has done to me!"

We could do a whole thread on the "famous last word/rant/screeds of people going postal."

In fact, I think I will.

This was a popular way of "dealing with an unliveable life" for white men in the early 90's.

It was connected with a guy slowly losing all the things he was supposedly living for, and feeling emasculated by large bureacracies that refused to acknowledge his grief.

Earlier in the year of the Luby's incident (1991), I was in San Franscisco when a dude went up in the transamerica pyramid (there's a whole 'nother conspiracy) and shot up a law office.

Turns out his wife had called incessantly at work, and ruined his job, before divorcing him and suing for custody of the kids. I think the judge had ruled the poor schmuck had to pay alimony out of his severance package, and the wife's new boyfriend had called the guy up and mocked him. His lawyers had not taken his rage seriously, and told him to get a life. Instead, he took about 10 of theirs.

The whole thing was just "so September 10th". But it was a different world back then.


I think that dudes like him and the Luby's shooter are best dramatized by the incredible Michael Douglas film Falling Down.

Here's a book that's been "on my list" for awhile now, but it's so far down who knows when I'll get to it?

Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder by David McGowan.

From the author's website re this book-

There is a certain comfort in being able to make better sense of the world, but with that increased level of understanding comes the realization that it just might be an even darker, uglier world than most of us could imagine.
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That looks like a good read, yeah right.

... If my life insurance policy is valid please pay off my debts... donate the rest anonymously to a mental health foundation. Maybe research can prevent further tragedies of this type."
Charles Whitman, (The UT Austin "Bell Tower Shooter") in note found pinned to wife's body.


"I'm going to hunt humans"
Statement by James Oliver Huberty (The San Ysidro, California McDonald's shooter) to his wife, as he left their home to begin his killing spree.


"There is nothing that anyone could have done to prevent this. No one is to blame except me and Vodka."
Comment by Eric Harris, one of two shooters in the Columbine, Colorado Massacre, 1999.


Please note that if I am committing suicide today 89/12/06 it is not for economic reasons (for I have waited until I exhausted all my financial means, even refusing jobs) but for political reasons. For I have decided to send Ad Patres the feminists who have ruined my life.
Gamil Rodrigue Gharbi, known as "Marc Lepine," Canada's highest-count serial killer.

Another one of them was reading Clinical Assessment of Malingering and Deception. which is now on my own list of books that must be read.

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A good read concerning David Berkowitz is 'The Ultimate Evil' by Maury Terry. On the whole Terry does a good job of exposing the cult that consisted of Berkowitz, John Carr, Michael Carr, Roy Radin etc... It does contain a bit of speculation that wanders off the mark.

Perhaps a book by a disinformationist? It is interesting to note that author Terry was a friend of John Carr's when they were teenagers. A fact Terry claimed to have forgotten about until a dilligent researcher reminded him of the fact.

Ironic that the Carrs (Sam and Wheat) received the reward money offered for the capture of the '.44 Killer'.

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A lot of people just write him off as a drugged out hippie psycho, but Charles Manson definately has always given me a creep MK-Ultra vibe. The "family's" goal of inciting a race war, his involvement with Scientology and the Process Church, and his rants about mind transformation and thought projection all sound dangerously close to activities the CIA has been involved in. Can anyone help me expand on this?

Originally posted by el_topo Can anyone help me expand on this?

Mae Brussell, the conspiracy researcher extraordinaire was of the belief that Manson and his 'Family' were a government created death squad.

During October and November of 1975 Brussell started receiving death threats from certain members of the 'Family'. The info was passed onto the F.B.I., who deemed that the letters "did not amount to a threat."

Part of one letter read:

"Mae, you are thinking yourself in a circle of madness. Charles Manson has been 28 years in prison and all that B.S. you are running is only a reflection of what the news and books have programmed your soul's mind brain to.
"You are looking for attention. It seems as if you are looking for your death wish in the family."

One would think that the 'Family' would be taken seriously when they issued death threats.

Vincent Bugliosi (famed prosecutor of Manson) believed that the link to the Process Church would reveal much more about the killings.
Manson told Bugliosi that he was DeGrimston (Moore)

"You're looking at him. Moore and I are one and the same."

Was Vojtek Frykowski the true target of Manson. Frykowski was an '___' dealer, had he burned someone in a deal?

The LaBianca's also relate to some kind of drug related hit. Evidence seems to point to Rosemary LaBianca being involved in the '___' market.
Manson once told are reporter:

"Don't you think those people deserved to die? They were involved in kiddie porn."

Maury Terry writes at length of 'Manson II'(The Ultimate Evil), some kind of satanic underground superstar hitman. Apparently 'Manson II' was living with the 'Family' at Spahn ranch when it all came down. 'Manson II' was also apparently contracted to do some of the 'Son of Sam' hits. This satanic superstar was eventually named as Bill Mentzer. He was also a suspect in the murder of student Arlis Perry.

Two days after the Tate murders Charles Manson was seen driving an expensive black mercedes that apparently belonged to a major player in the '___' scene. This unnamed individual's boss is

"said to have been a former Israeli with strong links to the intelligence community."(Terry)

(The MOSSAD have long had a reputation as international drug dealers)

Ronald Strark is an interesting character. The 60's '___' entrepeneur had strong ties to the CIA. So strong that an Italian judge once dismissed a major case against him on the grounds that it appeared Stark was working for the CIA.

Poet Ed Sanders, who wrote 'The Family'. Pondered whether or not the 'Process' was a front for some kind of intelligence operation.

Oprah once did a program where Charles Manson was identified as a card carrying member of the Illuminati. (Don't know about this one)

Sure makes you wonder...

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Just a wild guess and i dont dwell in the world of mind control but how 'bout

Timathy Mcvay?

I've heard that Marilyn Monroe was MK-ULTRA. She had everything in her home covered with mirrors.

I've also read Loretta Lynn--supposedly her husband was her handler.

I've always suspected that Dennis Radar, the BTK Killer, is mind-controlled. What cinched it for me was this: Last night, I watched a special about him. He claimed (in a story similar to one Son of Sam told) that a "demon" made him do it. (A drawing of the demon was shown, and it was a lizard with wings.) I've probably been reading way too much David Icke lately, but something about the story, and Radar's look has always made me think "slave."

I feel the same about Ted Kaczinski, and some of the killers already mentioned--especially, Timothy McVeigh and David Berkowitz.

From Hollywood: Tom Cruise seems a likely candidate. It's almost like his programming broke down after he left Pat Kingsley two years ago. (his longtime PR manager.) Or maybe his new "handlers" are pushing him too hard...

Michael Jackson is another celeb I feel is mind-controlled, with disasterously evident results. His eyes are do dead, yet somehow sad. All the weird plastic surgeries, the child molestation charges and his insistance on living in a total dreamworld (does anyone really believe that he fathered his children?) is sickening. Someone had to have done that to him.

I would have to say, Anderson Cooper.

After his breakdown during Hurricane Katrina and subsequent lobbying on behalf of the people who were affected (well, not really, but putting all the elected officials on the spot in such a way that they HAD to do something), 'they' sent him on vacation (at least a week) and he came back a whole new person.

Remember how appalled he was about that middle- aged black guy, a retired teacher, I think, who was beaten by the police on Bourbon Street! A CNN producer was harrassed during that incident, and we never heard another word about it.

Another clue: pre- Katrina, I noticed how he dressed, and appreciated his sense of style, esp. his tie and shirt combos. Then, recently, maybe about two weeks ago, I saw him in a PATTERNED shirt, and not just that, but his tie CLASHED... and I knew 'they' had gotten to him. Laugh if you will, but I even asked my bf who's in finance and dresses similarly: if Anderson Cooper had always been the kind of guy who wore patterned shirts, he would have worn one sometime during the period in which I watched him pre- Katrina, right? Nursing a small crush, I was definitely paying attention, and he hadn't.

Maybe this 'style modification' (I made that up) is a side effect and nobody noticed because, hey, how often do you get to see an MK-Ultra brainwashing victim and/or sleeper agent every single day?

Mind control in action, my friends...

I wouldn't be surprised about A. Cooper:

1. Works for CNN, probably the nation's (if not the world's) number one news source
   
2. He's a member of the old-money Vanderbilt family.
   

I wouldn't be surprised about any member of the mainstream media being a mind-control victim/victimizer though. Cronkite is a member of Bohemian Grove after all.